SOUTH CHINA SEA WATCH: Tussle over plane; Russia backs China

ITS Chinese offical staregy to avoid a war "at this moment in time": with the US: BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOSE and as you say WAR COSTS BILLIONS and destroys wealth: i think thats the Chinese view[CN]

中国的官方战略是：此时此刻避免与美国发生战争。因为他们会输掉战争，你说的，战争就是撒钱，破坏财富：我认为，那就是中国人的观点。

Hmmm.....well, the U.S., the UK, and Russia have all had court rulings go against them and they all ignored those rulings.....and so why should China do any differently. The 5 permanent members of the U.N. security council all have veto power. The World Court which is an extension of the U.N. has no jurisdiction authority and has No power to enforce any rulings. The only thing to gain is a public opinion win which will be used as propaganda.[CN]

嗯...好吧，美国，英国，俄国都有针对他们的法庭裁决，但他们都视而不见...中国干嘛需要标新立异呢？联合国安全委员会5大常任理事国都有否决的权利。作为联合国延伸的世界法庭没有司法权，没有能力强制执行裁决。唯一拥有的权利就是赢得公众舆论作为政治宣传罢了。

China has already stated that it will not accept a third party ruling and that is their right under the accords of the U.N. Occupied island reclamation is NOT in violation of any international law.[CN]

中国发表过声明，他们不接受第三方裁决，根据联合国宪章他们有这样的权利。占领土地的开垦不违反国际法。

Regardless of U.S. chest thumping, U.S. military provocation, and 24/7 onslaught by U.S. journalists.....China and its neighbors can resolve their problems one-on-one. In the meantime there has been NO interruption of passage thru these waterways and their is no threat that there will be......China does major trade through these lanes more than anyone.[CN]

尽管美国嘴头强硬，军事上加以挑衅，还有记者每天24小时的抨击...中国和邻国可以将他们的问题逐一解决。如此一来，这些水域就不会航道的中断，威胁就会解除了...中国在这航线上的主要交易比任何一个国家都多。

This is NOT about FON, anyway. This is all about Pivot to Asia. The U.S. attempt to contain China....both with its military AND with TPP. ....and with, of course, trumped up American main-steam "journalism".[CN]

这无关领海许可，只关于重返亚洲。美国试图用军队和太平洋协议把中国牵制中国...当然了，还有通过美国主流报纸捏造口实。

Despite the beating of war drums.....no one wants armed conflict....not the U.S., not China, and most of all, not the members of ASEAN. Too many people and too many economies are at stake.[CN]

尽管战争之鼓已经打响...没人想要军事冲突的...美国不想，中国不想。更重要的是，东盟成员更不想。太多人的经济利益忧戚相关了。

Being older I saw this same scenario back in the 60s and 70s. I was around for the Cuban Missile Crisis. That was a very tense day. I thought it was all over. The cold war ended with President Regan's efforts and Gorbachev on Russia's side. Now due to the weakness of #$%$ America is back in a cold war with Russia and China. Just a matter of time until the cold war goes hot. Almost time to put your head between your legs and kiss your #$%$ goodbye.[CN]

更早在60-70年代，我看过相同的情景。我经历了古巴导弹危机。那天局势真的很紧张。我以为一切都结束了。冷战在美国里根政府和俄国戈尔巴乔夫的努力下结束了。现在又轮到美国和中俄冷战了。冷战升温也不过是时间问题。抱着头缩在两腿间，好好跟...吻别吧。

agree

But I thought Putin was odumbo's friend and good buddy. I guess not. No leader in the world respects odumbo.

Espically when it comes to one free Korea. They will back each other and do anything to prevent that from happening.

Rightfully so I'd say.

Because Vietnam now is running to hug the US.

Russia just wants to support whoever the US is against. China, Vietnam, the Syrian gov't, it doesn't matter. If Russia could ally with China in a war against US you can be sure they would, because they would see it as beneficial to themselves.

Basically, Russia wants to do whatever they think will further their agenda.

I was always told 'money talks'. That's such #$%$: it screams so loudly that it drowns out every other voice

Russia never did, only the former Soviet Union.

China still supports Vietnam. Many neighbors there have overlaying claims. Aside from the rocks, their communist relationship is ok. Notice I said ok and not great :)

@Wayne, Last year Vietnam participated in joint military exercises with the US, and in May of 2014 more than 1,000 Chinese nationals had to flee hostile mobs in Hanoi, who were upset over China placing an oil rig in Vietnamese waters. Relations between Vietnam and People's Republic of China are not good now.

Believe it or not the Vietnamese "love" US! They despised the Russians for being too stingy and the Chinese for greedy.

The Vietnamese have always loved us. Ho Chi Minh wanted to continue our alliance after WW II, and even based the Vietnamese constitution on the US constitution, but we spit in his face and said "we're coming for you"...

That's because Vietnam does not support China.

Well we've pestered and picked at Russia. Humiliating Putin at every turn. You thinks it's a coincidence the Panama Papers had almost no U.S. itizens in it, but nailed Putin? Only slightly embarrassed Cameron.. We are in a Cold War folks... Pretty good timing for oil to plummet don't you think? How's that working out for Russia....

@Alex G that's the turning point in history. Imagine if Ho Chi Minh had gained the support from the U.S. president at the time! How will history change?

@Jesse: "From a Military perspective Israel is worth every dime."

That's what happens when we have a strong President and Russia a weakling Tsar.

Russia can let the chibks believe its on there side but in a war russia would not help them they trust china less than us and they know if china would win a war china would invade russia next being right at thair back door puten mught be two faced but hes not stupid

Vietnam dont have what russian wanted n needed its moneys.

I believe Vietnam would be a great future ally of the U.S. Had the U.S. not caved into France's Charles ( lead your troops into battle hiding in England) DeGaulle Uncle Ho would have never waged war with the U.S. He actually just wanted independence from France for his people.

I guess China isn't either.

US loved Vietnam so much it killed 1 million of them. Vietnam love US so much it wanted a repeat.

@Don, wait until they see the true colors of the U.S., then they will know what's really stingy and greedy.

Russia supports Russia and anyone who wants to band together and help destroy AMERICA, THEY HATE OUR GUTS.

TLO, go ask the Japanese, the Germans and the Italians regarding your comment. These were enemies of the U.S. And are now the most wealthy amongst nations. Check out. Russia after the war claimed territories for themselves... China knows no real friend. Go ask the North Koreans stupid. Lol

.....and the U.S. is thousands of miles away......and a million miles off course.

For decades we have been doing the same. The rest of the world has caught up and isn't going to sit back and let the US dictate terms any more. In fact China is poised to overtake us as the new world power. Our navel fleet is just one more thing pushing us to a point where the US dollar becomes worthless because we are too far in debt.

Half the products in the U.S. are made in China Adam! Your TV, your cell phone, your microwave, and most everything you see right now. I don't like Obama but American C.E.O.s are 100% responsible for moving manufacturing to China and it if you decided to bring all manufacturing back to the U.S. tomorrow it would take 3-4 yrs. to get 50% of it back! China gained strength wile we were busy blowing trillions (money we owe our enemy China by the way and we pay them interest on) in Iraq they were getting stronger!

China would be a real war and it wouldn't be 1% of our population fighting it by the way! It is estimated it would take more people than we sent to Desert Storm (1&2), World War 1&2, and Vietnam combined! It would take TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have! And you do realize lots of the parts we use in military equipment are made in China (Thanks to greedy American military contractors)!

You do realize we are in a election process already? Obama was about as bad as woosy Bush!!!!!

America has no business in the Baltics right on Russia's border to start with you moron.

You people sound so unamerican it's not funny! Do you even love your country anymore? Would you not try to protect it?

I swear it's turned into nothing but a bunch of whining, crying, handout wanting, check drawing, loafers who only care about themselves!

What the #$%$ is wrong with you people?

Pure gutless cowards who are scared to death to take a stand.

And i actually wondered why other countries get away with what they do!!

Jesus Christ i wish things would come to a head so we could finally have the #$%$ out and end all of this garbage, unamerican, garbage that spew out of peoples mouths like yourselves!

Adam

Volunteer and fight in the frontline yourself and be the cannon fodder for the US MICC (Military Industrial Congressional Complex) ! But just don't talk big !!!

china win

Another war picked by the warmongers in the US Congress.

Do you see them ordering the US Navy OUT of that area? No.

It's possible, however it depends on who is in power when things hest up. We will be wishing we voted Bernie. China and Russia together is no joke, that would not be good for us or the world. I'm sure we could win but does anyone really win I'm war. This would be something we can't even imagine.

D that's because the US isn't a pushover. We have a necessary interest in maintaining free flow of trade through the South China Sea and some second world chode like Xi isn't going to infringe upon our national goals!

Wait.........................

actually if the war starts with china we all know that russia will back them up, we will lose this 1!

We will not lose, we can take on China and Russia plus we have a lot more nations on our side say the whole NATO. Our Navy a lone is a lot bigger than China's and Russia's put together.

Due to Obama's cowardice

Russia and China do not want a war with the US. Notice that the US govt and military has been provoking them in their regions, like the establishment of NATO military bases on Russia's borders, or saber rattling by the US navy in the South CHINA Sea. They are not building those islands near our Pacific coast, are they? And our govt does not have the moral high ground to tell Chinese what to do near their shores, even given our history with the Philipines, and what the US did there at one point in time, for which I do not remember any apologies.

Chinese and Russian goons are no match for the rest of the planet. Scroo China. scroo Russia. Xi and Putin are both dykhaydsPolands can kick China's #$%$ buttwiper fish-headed goons fed old stale rice and entrails for dinner. Scroo CHINA. Scroo RUSSIA. Now.

It s the holy war you should be worrying about. It s not in the South China Sea.

The USA will never lose this war, RUSSIA and CHINA will be wiped off the planet, you have to understand that the super power (USA) is ready they are just waiting

To Ms. Theodorew: (See # 1, 2, 3,3A,3B, 4)

1)--

The next major wars (((nota: warssss))) will be in 13 - 18 years.

2)--

There will be several theatres of Arab Muslim attacks.

3)--

There will be several civil wars

3A)--

--signs of civil wars have one country sustaining several civil wars and breaking into 3 to 5 countries.

3B)--

--then are signs of changes in Europe (no longer as it is now) - but not sure what will happen - those signs aren't there

4)--

Signs are also of the UN collapsing in a decade or so, because of it following in the last 5 years or so similar steps it's predecessor (League of Nations) did in the 1930's before it collpsed by 1939.

z...China cannot win a war without a blue water navy. They know this. This is political theater.

Tronald Dump will be the spark of the war if he gets elected.

@serge the only way we will lose a war is with those un patriotic d bags who stand on our Flag in our country no force outside our borders would stop us

We will not win a war against China and Russia. It will most likely be a draw where billions will be dead. I don't see either us or them wanting war but I see that they are tired of the US sailing ships to their shores and trying to dictate policy.

It's all about politics people! there will be no war...so get a grip..

in time of war nobody wins everyone will be a loser.

Ww3 only break out when we ran out out all natural resources on this planet.

Yo tommy, you should really get more educated about the condition of the world and just how broke the US is and the rest of the world. The entire world is at the brink of world war and it is not a joke. Just look at history, we are way past due for the next big one and this will be the worst in the history of the entire planet which is billions of years!!!!!

give them 48 hours and wipe those islands out

The planet needs relief from the human infestation and war seems the best hope a modern medicine has eliminated most natural cures. Are you trained to survive? Hey,99% lace those boots up and let's put them on the ground one foot in front of the other. If you don't know the direction to travel just head towards all the loud bangs. One problem in the USA is that less than 1% has experienced combat. When I was born that was not the case as veterans were everywhere and most street crime was handled on the spot. Make love, not war? Yeah and the population went from 1 billion to 7 billion. Obviously, like most hippie ideas this one did not work. It was a massive failure.

WELL, if that's the case, can we PLEASE HURRY UP the fight!!!! At least throwing rocks at each other is less lethal than any other methods.

You sure about that Eric1?

The next war will be started as a reaction to an event. The remainder of the world will follow.

There will be Another world war, no doubt about it ask the rothchilds.

Quite certain. It is the fundamental rule of Realpolitik. No, there will never be another world war. That doesn't mean there won't be wars, but a world war (which is a war fought for the purpose of world domination) will not for the very simple reason that no nation or even coalition of nations could win such a war.

World wars do NOT start 'as a reaction to an event.' World wars start from a desire for world hegemony. Since 'world hegemony' is an impossibility, see rule number one.

To Mr. Eric 1 and Gentlemen: (See Opening Then # 1, 2)

Re: The More major Wars Coming -- in 13 to 18 years

1)--

Two countries are getting ready for self-defense, meaning they see the wars coming.

---Russia and China

2)--

Other countries and organizations are not taking self-protection steps, meaning they do not see the wars coming, and probably will not until it is too late

---Christian Europe, India, US

---UN, EU, NATO

barry, I suggest you leave geopolitics to people who actually KNOW something about it. YOU, obviously DON'T. Here's a HINT; WHAT is going on in Eastern Europe NOW? NATO is MARSHALLING its forces. Units are moving EAST. The Swedes are rearming, as are the Romanians and ALL of the Baltic nations. The Poles are building new bases on their EASTERN border with Russia, and the garrison bases on their WESTERN border will be soon manned by NATO forces, to include ever-growing numbers of American armored Brigades. At the same time, the US is 're-garrisoning' the Philippines, already HAS a Marine Regiment stationed in Australia, and more are headed to Guam. The US Navy is pressing in on the South China Sea, with carrier task-forces equipped with robotic drone fighter-bombers, and MORE are coming. ALL of these things are designed with but ONE purpose in mind; to press BACK the forces of chaos that are growing, to RESTRICT them in their ambitions, and this is what the TRADE DEALS being negotiated now are ALSO about, the TTP, and TTIP are DESIGNED to strangle BOTH China AND Russia, and that is PRECISELY what they will do. I refer you back to my initial REalpolitik statement; nations do what they do, when they do, because they CAN. That is PRECISELY 'what we are doing' NOW.

War is fought over 3 things people: MONEY, TERRITORY, REVENGE, that,s it

and the RESOURCES IS THE MONEY!!!!!!!!! which is also GREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NATO? Really? If provoked Russia will let the nukes fly and eastern EU countries like Poland will be the land where the nukes fall as they get shot out of the air. That means all those new NATO bases will be gone. The EU is counting on any war to be a limited one. Meanwhile Russia and China are slowly teaming up. That should scare the hell out of every western country. China has lots of people to fight and a vast manufacturing ability while Russia has world class weapon technology and lots of resources. We won WWII simply because we cut off Germany and Japan's access to supplies like steel and oil.

Everyone like to jump 3 spaces ahead and go straight to the drama. The countries economies are too inextricably linked. There will be saber rattling and maybe even isolated skirmishes but there won't be a WWIII. I know, I know, it is sure exciting to think about

Bingo.

idiot. It's a huge deal. Russia has military technology that matches ours. China has manufacturing that has no rival. Russia has vast natural resources. China has lots of money. If the two countries team up they will be more than a match for us. Don't count on Britain to help us out either. They can't afford it and the rest of the EU is gutless wimps. China will get control over the South China Sea while Russia will weaken NATO because of the exponential costs of being the leading force in both.

Yes and the posse comitatus act was supposed to prevent that from happening. That was the very first law that was perverted into oblivion. Even when the law passed it was perverted. The posse comitatus was originally supposed to protect us from Law Enforcement being used as a para military force and revenue chasing entity. Our fore fathers worst nightmares have been recognized. The original origins of the entire of the posse comitatus were supposed to have originated with Harry Truman. How true that is I don't know I've been putting the question out there for years to be answered who initiated the possed comitatus. Some one did ping me and I have the sheet I tucked away. It had some information about the subject.

False---I never see any anywhere/. You have been watching too many TV shows and are ill informed.

Bill, come to New York State, NYPD, Yonkers PD both have APC's, sub machine guns, etc. as does LA PD. Or you can come by my place upstate New York where the local sheriff owns several military spec Hum-Vees and the stats police also have APC's. Even Nypd and you uniforms are military attire and not standard police fare.

Do you live under a rock?

Well, it is cheaper to use 2nd undated gear than making a new one.

US isn't the only nation doing that.

today the U.S is doing them all.

Are you stupid or just ignorant? why do you think the US and its European allies have been going to war for? Don't tell me it's for freeing people and spreading democracy? Nothing has changed, these white nations have been raping Africa, Middle East and everyelse they can using military might and the media.It is very fustrating dealing with people like you who fail to see these realities. I hope with all my soul that there will be a day of reckoning or a day of justice if such thing really exist in this world.

Russia will pretend to ally itself with the U.S.? You mean like America pretended to ally itself with Russia in WWII? Come on now, who's the real #$%$ artist here if not the U.S. itself.

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