SOUTH CHINA SEA WATCH: Tussle over plane; Russia backs China

中国南海观察:飞机争夺战,俄国支持中国
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LTBadman

Wish America would cut ties with China. I'd love to stomp their signal fires out.

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Two'sACrowd

The problem is that the smaller and weaker nations that are complaining are speaking loudly but without a 'big stick' to carry.

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Two'sACrowdReply toTwo'sACrowd

The Vietnamese are relying on us to carry that 'big stick' for them while they're _ _tching about China.

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Pairie ClaudeReply toTwo'sACrowd

The model Capital State has allowed a Communist State to become strong.

Why pin this on the smaller weaker nations?

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FedericoReply toTwo'sACrowd

No, the Problem is that USA always want to stick his nose in other countries domestic issues

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Algis

The Chinese have outlived every civilization and culture of the last four thousand years. They are slowly going to expose the folly of global American hegemony, while slowly draining the American Treasury. Shoot, our leaders are the one's falling for it.

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Jay

Russia repeated China's position that "only parties can resolve their dispute through direct talks."

We all know how well that worked for more powerful countries like Russia and China in past and present disputes. Besides, what is there to talk to China about what they have already made up their minds about the issue?

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Truth WizardReply toJay

How are "we"? Speak for yourself, lying Washington's propagandist.

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Charles

It is so wonderful to see Obama's reset and new way of doing things. Bringing peace and understanding to the world.

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Fire Marshall BillReply toCharles

don't forget chuck the prosperity - with 50 million people on foodstamps - still to this day - and another 100 million out of work and won't lo0k anymore!

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giveahoot

America the Babylon NO longer superpower, instill stupid power. Kill off America and Philippines. Obama the Clown.

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BCD

Wow, all under Obama: Russia Invades Ukraine, Russia downs a commercial airliner, China invades the South China Sea, China Sails through the Alaskan Coast, Russia buzzes out navy ships,!Russia buzzes our air craft, China buzzes out Air craft. Why? Obama is spineless. Worse than Carter. Vote for a mad dog like Trump. We need it.

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JCReply toBCD

Is that you Dubbya? LMFAO!!!! Nice try but Obama worse than Carter is still leagues better than bush!

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The Observer

Obama is a chicken and afraid of everyone.

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evereachyu

Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is just a kangaroo court. One type of it is "a court held by a legitimate judicial authority who intentionally disregards the court's legal or ethical obligations".

BTW, it is not a court (of law), but a bureaucracy. The word "court" does mislead people to believe it to hold higher legitimacy than it really has. It has nothing to do with but very often being confused with the UN ICJ also situated in Hague, once again "stealing" (by medias with agenda) legitimacy from UN.

As I have said before, non of the other SCS claimants than China did EXIST as a legal state entity at the time when China declared her sovereignty over SCS. IF for the argument's sake there is a dispute, it can only be between China, U.S.A. (Sovereign of Philippine) and/or France (Vietnam), UK (Malaysia), even Japan has a better standing than the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia, but it has surrendered its claim as the condition of ending WWII. Again, non of U.S.A., France or UK rejected China's claim back then. So how could some non-existence jump out and make a claim and being admitted into PCA proceeding? That really shows how low PCA has degenerated to be a kangaroo "court", a piece of junk.

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TheDudeReply toevereachyu

yea its almost as big a joke as the UN security council.

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Gabriel LuReply toevereachyu

you miss Taiwan as one of the claimants of SCS

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StewartReply toevereachyu

If it just a bureaucracy and has no meaning then why is China a signatory to it ? Hypocritical if you are a signatory to the rules but then don't follow them if it dosen't suit you.

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LudahaiReply toevereachyu

The Permanent Court of Arbitration is actually an international organization that supports arbitral tribunals and is not a court in the strict sense. However, it is NOT a so-called 'kangaroo court' and is very well respected for its ability to administer international law in the resolution of disputes among the parties to them. A read of the jurisdictional award from late last year makes that VERY clear. Were it a kangaroo court, it would not even consider China's arguments as it has decided, in violation of its UNCLOS obligations, not to participate. The tribunal has in fact used China's arguments in the oral arguments phase with the Philippines' legal team. Not the work of a kangaroo court.

As for sovereign rights, the Philippines has the same rights of sovereignty was its predecessor state, in this case, the U.S. colonial government. All boundaries devolve with full force on successor states. Furthermore, there needs to be a basis under international law to Chinese sovereign claims to the sea. There simply isn't. The Philippines isn't claiming sovereignty to the sea, merely seeking to exercise its rights to its EEZ as delineated in the UNCLOS as well as to islands it has a much stronger claim to than China does. It is also seeking to verify that most of the islets in the sea do not meet the standards in the convention as islands and thus do not generate territorial sea or EEZ.

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HTReply toevereachyu

Except you missed the part where back then China never explicitly said that the "nine-dash line" constituted any sort of territorial or EEZ claim. This was something that was fabricated by the Chinese government in recent years as a revisionist strategy of claiming hegemony over international waters. In fact, Chinese officials have admitted off the record that there is absolutely no historical or legal basis for China to claim the "nine-dash line" as any sort of boundary because it is 1) not even properly or continuously demarcated 2) has no basis in international law 3) has no basis on any sort of recognizable geographical or topological feature. Finally, the international laws that codified and standardized the concepts of EEZ and territorial waters, the UNCLOS (of which China is a signatory party), didn't even come into effect until 1982. Given that China's claims of the "nine-dash line" is so historically vague, fluid, and lacking in credence, no sane person can justifiably argue that China has any sort of firmly established claim that should somehow be grandfathered into UNCLOS rules. In the face of this, China's "nine-dash line" has no foundation in international law. Therefore, it would be ludicrous to claim that the failure of the international community to contest something that was never claimed to be a sovereign boundary or demarcation at the outset as proof that they accepted the modern claims ascribed to this fictional "line".

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WalidReply toevereachyu

This kangaroo is going to kick your yellow #$%$

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JReply toevereachyu

Keep taking the pills and stay in the dark, China man!

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KokReply toevereachyu

You know the meaning of Arbitration?

The court is only used when both party agreed to the term and condition of its ruling.

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ert_medic

China is like one giant and hungry #$%$, it keeps trying to get itself stuffed with whatever it can lay down upon. Stupid Chincomm paid trolls are always a dime a dozen on articles relating to Chinese seizures of international reefs and bodies of water. Lame.

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Wayne ZReply toert_medic

Shut up and pay your taxes you slave

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ert_medicReply toert_medic

@Wayne Z, you butthurt? Good.

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HEYYY YOU GUYYYYS

Vietnam, Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia, The Philippines, Taiwan, Papua New Guinea, Australia, Singapore, Brunei, South Korea.

ARE ALL COUNTIES THAT CAN STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND CONFRONT CHINA. THERE IS NO REASON THE USA NEEDS TO HAUL THE LINE WHILE THESE COUNTRIES SIT BACK AND WATCH THE USA FIGHT THE CHINESE.

If they are too stupid to step up, then let the Chinese over run them all.

We are not the world policeman. We seem to be forgetting that lesson! Thank you Obama, for understanding this. I hope the next president does.

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DonnaReply toHEYYY YOU GUYYYYS

They are countries not counties. I figured you had to be an Obama supporter when you posted that. Obama doesn't know how many states we have, so par for the course.

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PictReply toHEYYY YOU GUYYYYS

US want to step in first and instigate philippines. Don't blame other countries for sitting back and watch.

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HEYYY YOU GUYYYYSReply toHEYYY YOU GUYYYYS

@ Donna

A simple mis-spelling doesn't negate the fact the comment was spot on and right in your face.

Suck on that one.

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BestReply toHEYYY YOU GUYYYYS

are u on grass? wake up and come to year 2016.

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Mark

This is going to end up being a lose/lose situation for China. China should withdraw as soon as the UN decides against them.

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MosesReply toMark

@Mark.....this is lose/lose for the U.S.

There is NO widespread support for the U.S.

ASEAN and E.Asia depend on China for economic growth.

This is NOT about FON....it is about the U.S. Pivot to Asia

The U.N./World Court has NO enforcement powers whatsoever.

China will NOT withdraw...no reason to....

Armed conflict will send regional economies into a tailspin.

The U.S. could NOT win in N.Korea, could not successfully invade Cuba, Lost a war to Vietnam and Cambodia, failed in Afghanistan, lost in Iraq, losing in the Ukraine...and...is getting more involved in Syria......So why would the U.S. think about picking a fight with China? To help the Philippines, Vietnam....to disrupt SE Asia.....to lose more money and lives?

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aaron

The militarization I see happening is the US stationing all types of warplanes in the area that enhance chances of mishaps and only achieve further provocations. The "freedom of navigation" is a straw man they will continue to use against the Chinese because "waning influence" or "maintaining the status quo" can't be used to justify what's being done.

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IluminadoReply toaaron

Are you Chinese?

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good send

SOUTH CHINA SEA WATCH: Tussle over plane; Russia backs China, Surely Russia should back China what would you expect? Because China backed Russia they have not murdered Syrian leader, If China and Russia had teamed up Saddam Hussein could have been alive today

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KshReply togood send

And Gaddafi too!

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desiReply togood send

Osama bin laden too!

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good sendReply togood send

Desi what is it you mean of Osama? Who Funded and Trained him until he fell out of love as has always been the case, Iraqi Prime Minister who was used to murder Saddam fell out of love and was shown the back door Amelaki, When oil is out of reach in Libay they created two governments, Yemen Saleh was their goodboy until he fell out of love was shown back door, Do you want I contiune, IT IS A SCHEME.

My arguement is NO MORE WARS, NO MORE ILLEGAL USE OF UN/NATO TO TOPPLE AND MURDER NATION LEADERS STOP BULLYING ON NATIONS AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEADACHE.

If you can stop the insanity of spilling of blood on your streets and leave other nations alone.

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BeavertonRon

Of course Russia backs China! Putin is consistent - he is always wrong.

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ModestoReply toBeavertonRon

you are right dude! lol

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BirdWatcher

There is only one way to deal with China: Sadly to say, it is WAR! China does not give a damn about anything. The longer that those countries involved in the disputes wait, the sooner their countries expose to harm. China is now planning to build at least 20 floating nuclear power plants in the disputed area where typhoons regularly visit while earthquake and tsunami are not far behind. Since these plants are floating, a disaster will quickly to other oceans, and coastal countries.

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DinnaReply toBirdWatcher

Typical hair brained US view.

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joelReply toBirdWatcher

Dinna@ I think nobody understand you.

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AlexanderReply toBirdWatcher

Then make use of your own freedom, BirdWatcher, to go over to China and fight that war.

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AlexanderReply toBirdWatcher

You nailed it, BirdWatcher. I am with you 100%.

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Juan

The irony is almost laughable. For decades America has used its veto power to shoot down UN resolutions that try to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian dispute.. America has supported its veto by saying that only direct talks between the Israelis and Palestinians can bring peace. Now Russia is saying the same thing while America and Britain wait for some international court to resolve the dispute.

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nicholas

Make it feasible for US companies to leave China and China will start singing a different tune.

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MarcReply tonicholas

Stop importing goods from China. Make those here like Trump said and been saying.

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PictReply tonicholas

US companies can leave anytime. why need to make it feasible?

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The ObserverReply tonicholas

but but but ... US companies are begging to get into china.

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Ellen Degenitals

This is what happens when you elect a homosexual as president of the United States. Nice job O'Hole!

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Will

US is so blinded by its military might, it abuses its power and achieves no strategic goals in the end. Just look at the war Iraq and Afghanistan, it wasted $6 trillion dollars which is a tremendous amount even to the no. 1 country in the world. Once again, US is wrongfully focusing on the "freedom of navigation" in the SCS instead of defeating the real threat to the world, global terrorism. I can see how US will waste its millions patrolling SCS while China will use the millions to commission submarines and airplanes that gradually catch up to its opponent.

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