Did a Ukrainian fighter jet shoot down MH17? Eye witness accounts claim Boeing 777 may have been targeted by another plane
Official report said Boeing 777 was downed by Russian-made Buk missile.[CN]
官方报告声明,波音777被俄制山毛榉导弹击落。
Evidence suggests witnesses saw the plane being shot down by fighter jet.[CN]
证据为有目击者亲眼看到波音飞机被战斗机击毁。
Other new theory says attack was part of CIA-backed 'terrorist operation' [CN]
其他理论则表明,此次袭击是中情局支持的“恐怖主义行动”的一部分。
For more of the latest Ukraine news visit www.dailymail.co.uk/ukraine.[CN]
更多最新乌克兰新闻,请点击www.dailymail.co.uk/ukraine
New evidence suggests that the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane MH17 was caused by a shot from a Ukranian fighter jet rather than a ground-to-air missile (file photo)[CN]
新证据表明马航MH17堕落是由乌克兰战斗机击落,而不是由地对空导弹。(如图)
The official report states that the plane was hit by a Russian-made Buk missile (pictured) fired from an area of the Ukraine that was under the control of Russian-backed rebels (file photo)[CN]
官方报告声明飞机在乌克兰被俄制山毛榉导弹(如图)击中,导弹为俄国支持的乌克兰反叛军持有。
The Boeing 777 was detonated over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014 and killed 298 people, as it headed towards Kuala Lumpur (file photo)[CN]
2014年6月17日,波音777飞往吉隆坡(如图),在乌克兰东部被引爆,造成298人死亡。
The damning allegations will be revealed in a BBC documentary and put forward a number of theories as to why the aircraft exploded (file photo)[CN]
最终定罪的论断将会在BBC记录播出,其中提出了大量理论解析飞机爆炸的原因(如图)。
Another extraordinary theory mentioned in the programme is that the aircraft was detonated in a CIA-backed 'terrorist operation', where two bombs were planted on the airliner (file photo)[CN]
节目提到了别开生面的理论:飞机在中情局支持的恐怖主义分子运动中被引爆,航班上装了两颗炸弹(如图)。
New evidence suggests that the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane MH17 was caused by a shot from a Ukrainian fighter jet rather than a ground-to-air missile.
The damning allegations will be revealed in a BBC documentary which puts forward a number of theories as to why the aircraft exploded.
It is even argued that the tragedy was caused by a CIA-backed 'terrorist operation.'
The fresh allegations come as three Ukrainian soldiers were killed and six injured in an upsurge of fighting between pro-Russian rebels and government forces in the country's separatist east, today.
The Boeing 777 exploded over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014 and killed 298 people, as it headed towards Kuala Lumpur.
Although the official report states that the plane was hit by a Russian-made Buk missile fired from an area of the Ukraine that was under the control of Russian-backed rebels, the programme notes that people saw the aircraft being shot down by a fighter jet.
Speaking in the documentary, Natasha Beronina, said: 'It was summer, harvest time. We heard a bang.
'At first we thought we saw black smoke and two planes, little ones like silver toys. One flew straight on and the other one turned round when the bang happened and flew back from where it had come.'
Another witness even said that they saw a jet launch a missile before hearing a big boom.
The Sunday Express noted that German investigative journalist, Billy Six, interviewed 100 witnesses for the programme, seven of which said they saw a fighter jet.
They believed that two jets were present and that one fired an air-to-air missile, while the other fired a canon from the back into MH17's cockpit.
However, this was something that was profusely denied by pilot, Captain Vladislav Voloshin, who was accused of being responsible.
In the interview, Voloshin said that there were no flights on that day and there were also no air-to-air missiles, as they were carrying air-to-surface missiles for ground targets.
Another extraordinary theory mentioned in the programme is that the aircraft was detonated in a CIA-backed 'terrorist operation', where two bombs were planted on the airliner.
This allegation was put forward by private investigator, Sergey Sokolov, who claimed that the CIA were helped by the Ukrainian secret service and Dutch security service, to place the bombs on the plane in Holland.
He said: 'This terrorist act was a pretext for firstly intensifying sanctions on Russia, secondly to show the world that Russia is a barbarian country and thirdly to strengthen the presence of Nato in Europe, particularly Ukraine.'
Speaking after the death of three Ukrainian soldiers today, Military spokesman Oleksandr Motuzyanyk said: 'As a result of hostilities, three Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and another six wounded over the past 24 hours'.'
According to Motuzyanyk, the situation along the frontline 'had escalated again', accusing separatists of ramping up attacks against the Kiev military and using heavy weapons.
He said: 'The invaders are actively using mortars and armoured vehicles along the entire frontline.'
Speaking to MailOnline, the BBC clarified that the documentary came to no firm conclusion about the theories and there was only a slim chance that a fighter jet had been involved.
A spokesperson, said: 'This impartial documentary takes a balanced viewpoint in reporting the competing theories surrounding the fate of MH17, including the evidence for and against those involving Russia, Ukraine and the CIA.
'It also examines in detail the findings of the official Dutch inquiry into the incident, which provide compelling evidence that the plane was brought down by a powerful ground to air missile.'
The new casualties came after three Ukrainian soldiers were killed by pro-Russian rebels in a mortar attack earlier this week, in the deadliest attack in nearly two months, the Kiev military said.
A series of truce agreements have helped reduce the violence, although sporadic clashes continue and prevent the sides from reaching a firm political reconciliation deal.
Around 9,200 people have died and more than 21,000 been injured since the revolt against Ukraine's pro-Western leadership erupted in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.
Kiev and the West accuse Russia of supporting the insurgents and sending regular troops across the border, claims that Moscow denies.
Earlier this week, Ukraine's defence minister Stepan Poltorak warned it may take years to end a war that plunged Moscow's relations with the West to a post-Cold War low.
So witnesses in a Russian held area claim the Ukrainians did it. Who would have thought......[CN]
俄国控制的地区有目击者宣称乌克兰人干的。谁能想得到...
Illegal coup, because the rules of the Ukraine constitution was not followed. There was not a large enough majority in the Ukrainian Parliament to outs the President. As for the shooting down itself, i personally think it was Ukrainian military or one of the loony "volunteer" battalions, thinking that MH17 was Putin's plane.[CN]
非法政变,因为没有遵循乌克兰宪法。乌克兰国会还没有这样的多数党可以选出总统。对于击落飞机事件,个人认为是乌克兰军队或者其中一个狂热的自愿营队,误以为MH17是普京的飞机。
Barely "witnesses" plural - out of 100 witness, only 7 saw the fighter jet; and at least one of those claimed to see the missile. Can you see a missile at a distance of, presumably, at least 12-15 miles? And if that's so obvious, why did the other 93 see or hear nothing else? A fighter jet doesn't exactly have stealth engines.... Then the programme goes on to the "CIA planted a bomb" conspiracy theory. And this deserves a front-page headline in the DM without any form of balance? Wait until the voting robots get a hold of this...[CN]
目击者还在少数...100个中只有7个说看到战斗机,至少有一个说看到导弹。你能从至少12-15英里的远处看到导弹么?如果真那么明显,为什么其他93个没有看到货听到一些什么呢?战斗机的引擎响声可是很明显的。然后节目又提出“中情局装炸弹”的阴谋论。没有任何形式的均衡下,这样的消息就上头条头版拉?等着投票机器来解决这个问题吧...
OFFICIAL MH17 FINAL REPORT STATES they cannot tell WHO FIRED IT, only that it came from a specific area in Ukraine (p. 256. I have a pdf of the final.) Everyone who read the reports knew about the 2 UKR SU27 which followed the plane and disappeared after shootdown; that RF but not US gave all flight data to committee; and that of all the commercial planes flying that route, flight control only changed MH17 flight path 'due to weather.'[CN]
MH17最终官方报告声明,他们无法查出谁开的火,只知道是来自乌克兰的特定地区。(p. 256. 我有最终版的PDF)读过报告的都知道 UKR SU27 尾随马航MH17,飞机坠毁后战斗机就不见影踪了。所有这些数据都是俄方并非美方提交给委员会,所有商业飞机都照一条航线飞行,MH17是因为天气而改变航班航线...
stell: Crimea's referendum (98% in favour of return to Russia) is called "annexation" (Crimea was ALWAYS Russian until Krushchev GAVE it to Ukraine as a GIFT in 1953, when under Soviet Union). East Germany's return to Germany was "reunification". Propaganda? Is this the NATO/US excuse for ramping up hostilities with Russia? Is this a distraction from the US collapsing economy and Russia's refusal to buy a "stake" of the collapse by refusing to prop up the Dollar? And the US backed illegal coup in the Ukraine is being repeated right now in Brazil. When will ordinary people see this? What do you think the US elite wants with us all?[CN]
stell: 克什米尔的公民选择权(98%自愿归还俄国)叫做吞并?(克什米尔一直是俄国的,直至苏联时期1953年赫鲁晓夫把它作为礼物送给乌克兰)东德归还给德国完成统一。政治宣传?这是北约/美国要燃起对俄国敌意的借口么?这不是美国国内经济退缩要转移公众的注意力措施么?还有俄国不买美国经济衰退的帐,拒绝力挺美元的事。美国在乌克兰扶持的非法政变现在又在巴西故技重施了。平民百姓什么时候才能看到这点?不然你觉得美国精英分子们想灌输我们的是什么?
@Thanks for reading....So agree......and The "US elite" will be salivating over the millions of yummy cheap workforce migrating across their soon to be controlled trading plains of Europe. Ghastly TTIP and Project Fear coming together nicely[CN]
@Thanks for reading: 再同意不过了...欧洲平原地区即将为其操纵,哪里上百万的流动廉价劳动力早让美国垂涎欲滴了。可怕的《伙伴协议》,随之而来的还有忧惧...
Its been long known that a Ukrainian fighter shot the plane down, thinking it was Putin's own plane, and the plane was full of cannonshot.... And the pilot WAS ordered to reduce height - This is one massive coverup. The fighter showed up on radar next to the jet FFS ![CN]
早就知道乌克兰战斗机把民航班机击落的,以为是普京的专用飞机,飞机满载炮弹...飞行员被命令降低高度-这是不错的掩护。但是雷达显示战斗机尾随喷气机,他妈的!
This "witnesses" first came to loot MH17, they stole credit cards, money, cosmetics etc. Do really believe what this people say?Also this people live in occupied territories and guess what so called "ukranian rebels" from russia do with them if they say anything against russia?[CN]
这些所谓的目击者洗劫了MH17。偷走信用卡,服装品,钱等等。你真信这些人说的?再说这些人住在俄占领区,如果说些反对俄国的话语,知道俄国称之为“反叛军”的人会做些什么吗(意指灭口)?
stop repeating more internet lies. Ridiculous and designed to muddle the issue. Nest people will be saying - what about the Spanish air traffic controller? There was NO Spanish air traffic controller . It was just Russians who were downing Ukrainian jets in the area and mistakenly shot at passenger plane. End of.[CN]
别再散播互联网谣言了。荒谬至极,别有心机的去掩盖真相。接下来就讨论西班牙的飞机控制器了,根本就没有西班牙飞机控制器!俄国人在领域在攻击乌克兰飞机,不小心击落了民航。句终。
That's a lie. Their flight level was always 33,000 feet. They asked flight control for permission to climb to 34,000, but his was rejected by flight control. At no time were they asked to decrease altitude. the difference between 33 & 34k feet would have made no difference - they were well within the range of the missile either way.[CN]
说大话。飞机通常飞33,000英尺高。他们寻求航班控制中心允许升到34,000英尺,但被拒绝了。接着他们又请求降低海拔。无论33还是34千英尺都一个样,都是在导弹的射程内。