Did a Ukrainian fighter jet shoot down MH17? Eye witness accounts claim Boeing 777 may have been targeted by another plane

乌克兰战斗机击落马航?目击者声称看到波音777被飞机击落
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Official report said Boeing 777 was downed by Russian-made Buk missile.[CN]

官方报告声明,波音777被俄制山毛榉导弹击落。

Evidence suggests witnesses saw the plane being shot down by fighter jet.[CN]

证据为有目击者亲眼看到波音飞机被战斗机击毁。

Other new theory says attack was part of CIA-backed 'terrorist operation' [CN]

其他理论则表明,此次袭击是中情局支持的“恐怖主义行动”的一部分。

For more of the latest Ukraine news visit www.dailymail.co.uk/ukraine.[CN]

更多最新乌克兰新闻,请点击www.dailymail.co.uk/ukraine

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New evidence suggests that the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane MH17 was caused by a shot from a Ukranian fighter jet rather than a ground-to-air missile (file photo)[CN]

新证据表明马航MH17堕落是由乌克兰战斗机击落,而不是由地对空导弹。(如图)

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The official report states that the plane was hit by a Russian-made Buk missile (pictured) fired from an area of the Ukraine that was under the control of Russian-backed rebels (file photo)[CN]

官方报告声明飞机在乌克兰被俄制山毛榉导弹(如图)击中,导弹为俄国支持的乌克兰反叛军持有。

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The Boeing 777 was detonated over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014 and killed 298 people, as it headed towards Kuala Lumpur (file photo)[CN]

2014年6月17日,波音777飞往吉隆坡(如图),在乌克兰东部被引爆,造成298人死亡。

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The damning allegations will be revealed in a BBC documentary and put forward a number of theories as to why the aircraft exploded (file photo)[CN]

最终定罪的论断将会在BBC记录播出,其中提出了大量理论解析飞机爆炸的原因(如图)。

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Another extraordinary theory mentioned in the programme is that the aircraft was detonated in a CIA-backed 'terrorist operation', where two bombs were planted on the airliner (file photo)[CN]

节目提到了别开生面的理论:飞机在中情局支持的恐怖主义分子运动中被引爆,航班上装了两颗炸弹(如图)。

New evidence suggests that the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane MH17 was caused by a shot from a Ukrainian fighter jet rather than a ground-to-air missile. 

The damning allegations will be revealed in a BBC documentary which puts forward a number of theories as to why the aircraft exploded.

It is even argued that the tragedy was caused by a CIA-backed 'terrorist operation.'

The fresh allegations come as three Ukrainian soldiers were killed and six injured in an upsurge of fighting between pro-Russian rebels and government forces in the country's separatist east, today.

The Boeing 777 exploded over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014 and killed 298 people, as it headed towards Kuala Lumpur. 

Although the official report states that the plane was hit by a Russian-made Buk missile fired from an area of the Ukraine that was under the control of Russian-backed rebels, the programme notes that people saw the aircraft being shot down by a fighter jet.

Speaking in the documentary, Natasha Beronina, said: 'It was summer, harvest time. We heard a bang.

'At first we thought we saw black smoke and two planes, little ones like silver toys. One flew straight on and the other one turned round when the bang happened and flew back from where it had come.'

Another witness even said that they saw a jet launch a missile before hearing a big boom.

The Sunday Express noted that German investigative journalist, Billy Six, interviewed 100 witnesses for the programme, seven of which said they saw a fighter jet.

They believed that two jets were present and that one fired an air-to-air missile, while the other fired a canon from the back into MH17's cockpit.

However, this was something that was profusely denied by pilot, Captain Vladislav Voloshin, who was accused of being responsible. 

In the interview, Voloshin said that there were no flights on that day and there were also no air-to-air missiles, as they were carrying air-to-surface missiles for ground targets.

Another extraordinary theory mentioned in the programme is that the aircraft was detonated in a CIA-backed 'terrorist operation', where two bombs were planted on the airliner. 

This allegation was put forward by private investigator, Sergey Sokolov, who claimed that the CIA were helped by the Ukrainian secret service and Dutch security service, to place the bombs on the plane in Holland. 

He said: 'This terrorist act was a pretext for firstly intensifying sanctions on Russia, secondly to show the world that Russia is a barbarian country and thirdly to strengthen the presence of Nato in Europe, particularly Ukraine.'  

Speaking after the death of three Ukrainian soldiers today, Military spokesman Oleksandr Motuzyanyk said: 'As a result of hostilities, three Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and another six wounded over the past 24 hours'.'

According to Motuzyanyk, the situation along the frontline 'had escalated again', accusing separatists of ramping up attacks against the Kiev military and using heavy weapons.

He said: 'The invaders are actively using mortars and armoured vehicles along the entire frontline.'

Speaking to MailOnline, the BBC clarified that the documentary came to no firm conclusion about the theories and there was only a slim chance that a fighter jet had been involved.

A spokesperson, said: 'This impartial documentary takes a balanced viewpoint in reporting the competing theories surrounding the fate of MH17, including the evidence for and against those involving Russia, Ukraine and the CIA. 

'It also examines in detail the findings of the official Dutch inquiry into the incident, which provide compelling evidence that the plane was brought down by a powerful ground to air missile.'

The new casualties came after three Ukrainian soldiers were killed by pro-Russian rebels in a mortar attack earlier this week, in the deadliest attack in nearly two months, the Kiev military said.

A series of truce agreements have helped reduce the violence, although sporadic clashes continue and prevent the sides from reaching a firm political reconciliation deal.

Around 9,200 people have died and more than 21,000 been injured since the revolt against Ukraine's pro-Western leadership erupted in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.

Kiev and the West accuse Russia of supporting the insurgents and sending regular troops across the border, claims that Moscow denies.

Earlier this week, Ukraine's defence minister Stepan Poltorak warned it may take years to end a war that plunged Moscow's relations with the West to a post-Cold War low.

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Matt

So witnesses in a Russian held area claim the Ukrainians did it. Who would have thought......[CN]

俄国控制的地区有目击者宣称乌克兰人干的。谁能想得到...

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YelmailReply toMatt

and governments who supported an illegal coup back their new puppets. Who would have thought...[CN]

政府又通过一场非法政变扶持了一个新的傀儡,谁又能想到...

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martinomacReply toMatt

Doesn't matter which side shot it down Russia or Ukrainians. Its a tragic accident, things like this happen during wars. No conspiracy.[CN]

无所谓俄国还是乌克兰击落的。这是个悲剧,战时时有发生。没有阴谋。

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StellReply toMatt

@Yelmail, - "illegal coup" You do realize there was an election in Ukraine? What do you call Russian annexation of Crimea then? Most countries would call it an act of war,. .[CN]

@Yelmail, “非法政变”...你知道乌克兰有民选的哦?那俄国吞并克什米尔你又怎么解释呢?大部分国家都觉得是战争行为。

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IanReply toMatt

Illegal coup, because the rules of the Ukraine constitution was not followed. There was not a large enough majority in the Ukrainian Parliament to outs the President. As for the shooting down itself, i personally think it was Ukrainian military or one of the loony "volunteer" battalions, thinking that MH17 was Putin's plane.[CN]

非法政变,因为没有遵循乌克兰宪法。乌克兰国会还没有这样的多数党可以选出总统。对于击落飞机事件,个人认为是乌克兰军队或者其中一个狂热的自愿营队,误以为MH17是普京的飞机。

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irbyzReply toMatt

Barely "witnesses" plural - out of 100 witness, only 7 saw the fighter jet; and at least one of those claimed to see the missile. Can you see a missile at a distance of, presumably, at least 12-15 miles? And if that's so obvious, why did the other 93 see or hear nothing else? A fighter jet doesn't exactly have stealth engines.... Then the programme goes on to the "CIA planted a bomb" conspiracy theory. And this deserves a front-page headline in the DM without any form of balance? Wait until the voting robots get a hold of this...[CN]

目击者还在少数...100个中只有7个说看到战斗机,至少有一个说看到导弹。你能从至少12-15英里的远处看到导弹么?如果真那么明显,为什么其他93个没有看到货听到一些什么呢?战斗机的引擎响声可是很明显的。然后节目又提出“中情局装炸弹”的阴谋论。没有任何形式的均衡下,这样的消息就上头条头版拉?等着投票机器来解决这个问题吧...

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RockefellerReply toMatt

When you are paid or held at gunpoint people will say anything.[CN]

给点钱或用枪指着,人们就会什么都愿意说的了。

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GMartynReply toMatt

Yanukovych fled the country before any vote, taking his stolen billions with him.[CN]

亚努科维奇选举前携带就偷来的十亿多元巨款潜逃了。

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SongShensongReply toMatt

OFFICIAL MH17 FINAL REPORT STATES they cannot tell WHO FIRED IT, only that it came from a specific area in Ukraine (p. 256. I have a pdf of the final.) Everyone who read the reports knew about the 2 UKR SU27 which followed the plane and disappeared after shootdown; that RF but not US gave all flight data to committee; and that of all the commercial planes flying that route, flight control only changed MH17 flight path 'due to weather.'[CN]

MH17最终官方报告声明,他们无法查出谁开的火,只知道是来自乌克兰的特定地区。(p. 256. 我有最终版的PDF)读过报告的都知道 UKR SU27 尾随马航MH17,飞机坠毁后战斗机就不见影踪了。所有这些数据都是俄方并非美方提交给委员会,所有商业飞机都照一条航线飞行,MH17是因为天气而改变航班航线...

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Thanks for readingReply toMatt

stell: Crimea's referendum (98% in favour of return to Russia) is called "annexation" (Crimea was ALWAYS Russian until Krushchev GAVE it to Ukraine as a GIFT in 1953, when under Soviet Union). East Germany's return to Germany was "reunification". Propaganda? Is this the NATO/US excuse for ramping up hostilities with Russia? Is this a distraction from the US collapsing economy and Russia's refusal to buy a "stake" of the collapse by refusing to prop up the Dollar? And the US backed illegal coup in the Ukraine is being repeated right now in Brazil. When will ordinary people see this? What do you think the US elite wants with us all?[CN]

stell: 克什米尔的公民选择权(98%自愿归还俄国)叫做吞并?(克什米尔一直是俄国的,直至苏联时期1953年赫鲁晓夫把它作为礼物送给乌克兰)东德归还给德国完成统一。政治宣传?这是北约/美国要燃起对俄国敌意的借口么?这不是美国国内经济退缩要转移公众的注意力措施么?还有俄国不买美国经济衰退的帐,拒绝力挺美元的事。美国在乌克兰扶持的非法政变现在又在巴西故技重施了。平民百姓什么时候才能看到这点?不然你觉得美国精英分子们想灌输我们的是什么?

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foalatfootReply toMatt

@Thanks for reading....So agree......and The "US elite" will be salivating over the millions of yummy cheap workforce migrating across their soon to be controlled trading plains of Europe. Ghastly TTIP and Project Fear coming together nicely[CN]

@Thanks for reading: 再同意不过了...欧洲平原地区即将为其操纵,哪里上百万的流动廉价劳动力早让美国垂涎欲滴了。可怕的《伙伴协议》,随之而来的还有忧惧...

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Lola CReply toMatt

WPutin-bots are on a roll. Who are you trying to fool here pretending to be from the UK? We all know you write from St Petersburg on Putin's orders.[CN]

普京狗有够走运的. 你装英国人在糊弄谁呢?我们都知道你的地址是是圣彼得堡,你是奉了普京之命吧。

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RoarkeReply toMatt

Its been long known that a Ukrainian fighter shot the plane down, thinking it was Putin's own plane, and the plane was full of cannonshot.... And the pilot WAS ordered to reduce height - This is one massive coverup. The fighter showed up on radar next to the jet FFS ![CN]

早就知道乌克兰战斗机把民航班机击落的,以为是普京的专用飞机,飞机满载炮弹...飞行员被命令降低高度-这是不错的掩护。但是雷达显示战斗机尾随喷气机,他妈的!

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HANG DOGReply toMatt

i RULE NOTHING OUT[CN]

我什么都没看出来

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Taras88Reply toMatt

This "witnesses" first came to loot MH17, they stole credit cards, money, cosmetics etc. Do really believe what this people say?Also this people live in occupied territories and guess what so called "ukranian rebels" from russia do with them if they say anything against russia?[CN]

这些所谓的目击者洗劫了MH17。偷走信用卡,服装品,钱等等。你真信这些人说的?再说这些人住在俄占领区,如果说些反对俄国的话语,知道俄国称之为“反叛军”的人会做些什么吗(意指灭口)?

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Cyril

Why did Ukrainian airspace ask the plane to fly lower? Hm[CN]

乌克兰领空为什么叫飞机降低高度?嗯...

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WessexDaveReply toCyril

A fighter jet would have requested the target be higher not lower[CN]

战斗机需要目标在高空不是低空。

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MikeKoReply toCyril

Why did the eastern "rebels" refuse to let anyone near the wreckage for weeks? Hmm[CN]

为什么东部“反叛军”几周不让任何人接近残骸呢?嗯...

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StellReply toCyril

stop repeating more internet lies. Ridiculous and designed to muddle the issue. Nest people will be saying - what about the Spanish air traffic controller? There was NO Spanish air traffic controller . It was just Russians who were downing Ukrainian jets in the area and mistakenly shot at passenger plane. End of.[CN]

别再散播互联网谣言了。荒谬至极,别有心机的去掩盖真相。接下来就讨论西班牙的飞机控制器了,根本就没有西班牙飞机控制器!俄国人在领域在攻击乌克兰飞机,不小心击落了民航。句终。

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Warren McIntoshReply toCyril

That's a lie. Their flight level was always 33,000 feet. They asked flight control for permission to climb to 34,000, but his was rejected by flight control. At no time were they asked to decrease altitude. the difference between 33 & 34k feet would have made no difference - they were well within the range of the missile either way.[CN]

说大话。飞机通常飞33,000英尺高。他们寻求航班控制中心允许升到34,000英尺,但被拒绝了。接着他们又请求降低海拔。无论33还是34千英尺都一个样,都是在导弹的射程内。

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livnletlivReply toCyril

Why would Russians be downing anything in the same hour that Putin was flying back from watching the cup final.[CN]

普京飞回国去看超级碗决赛的时候,俄国为什么要打掉一些什么东西(意指飞机)呢?

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livnletlivReply toCyril
Why would Russians be downing aircraft in the same hour as Putin was flying back from watching the world cup.
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WojtekReply toCyril
@ Warren McIntosh, London, United Kingdom - BS: level 34k isn't allowed while flying east. 31, 33, 35k - Yes but 34k - No. Because you can meet head - to - head another liner flying in an opposite direction.
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tatamlyleReply toCyril
[flight level]. You can take even flight levels when flying east, in some circumstances. For instance, ATC might allow FL350 on 80nm, and give you FL340 as a temporary measure, if there is no other trafic. Perfectly normal procedures. But why ATC and the airline thought it was a good idea to transit across an active w a r zone, is another matter.
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Just ME 25Reply toCyril
Stell, and you have a prove of this? Or they showed it on your Ukrainian news? Stop watching this rubbish.
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history without spinReply toCyril
Wessex Dave, if the airliner was flying lower the blame could more easily be attached to Donbass anti Kiev forces, which was the original plot.
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Thanks for readingReply toCyril
Just Me 25: I think Stell is another Soros / US troll. The DM has been crawling with them since just before Obama's visit. It's their propaganda machine. They want us to see Russia as a serious threat to our lives. Sorry, US, it seems to be the other way round.
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MrHMSHReply toCyril
Because ATC asks airliners to change height all the time, you have to maintain a minimum 1000ft vertical separation. As a long haul flight and still relatively heavy as it's only 1/3 into its journey, the only possibility is that lighter aircraft go higher and heavier aircraft go lower. Go and check Flightradar24, you'll see most long haul flights start at around 32,000-34,000ft.
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AudaciousReply toCyril
At least when the USA shot down a civilian aircraft, killing more people than this back in 1988 it was an accident.
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BlackBoyReply toCyril
Stell, Warren: YOU are the ones deliberately lying. The Coup Government are the ones who refused to release the ATC tapes. They did it. End of story. Until they stop witholding evidence there's no reason to speculate that anyone else besides the Ukrainian "government" was involved in any way.
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oblio
2 years later with no disclosure of the official traffic control, radar records or satellite images in what was the most monitored part of the world. No heat or radar signature, contrail or smoke in what was looking the as clear is possible weather makes it look like everybody turned their monitoring off for 10 minutes. Or lied about it
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The.DonaldReply tooblio
Contrails asdie, who the heck can see 2 planes travelling at 40,000 ft? Let alone a missile.
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Warren McIntoshReply tooblio
Rubbish, it was on air traffic control right up to the end, plenty of evidence was given to the inquiry, plenty of people saw bits of the plane come down, and of course no-one saw it up in the air - it was 11km up.
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Geordie Hinny
Tosh. Buk missile shrapnel was found in the bodies of the flight deck crew. It is in the very detailed Dutch Safety Board report.
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Warren McIntoshReply toGeordie Hinny
And no evidence whatsoever of aircraft cannon shells!
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FeddupReply toGeordie Hinny
Both the Ukraine and Russia have the BUK missile. The shrapnel found was from an old warhead no longer used by Russian forces. Guess who DOES use missiles with the old warhead?
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GMartynReply toGeordie Hinny
And guess who was bragging they had shot down a Ukrainian jet on social media before they realised their mistake.
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X PoliceReply toGeordie Hinny
That's correct Geordie. Fired from East Ukraine held by the Russian rebels.
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history without spinReply toGeordie Hinny
G Martin, that bragging video was later revealed to be a fake. Get uour nose out of controlled media
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DaveReply toGeordie Hinny
The video with the bragging and intercepted phone call was a very careful edit exploiting a quirk in the Russian language. Turns out that "we shot down" and "was shot down" are very close in Russian and a tiny edit can change the context entirely. The phone call wasn't a brag, it was information about a plane being shot down. No admission or culpability.
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Taras88Reply toGeordie Hinny
Feddup, russia still have planty of old buk warhead, even more than Ukraine. They didn't destroy them, they only arm BUK on active duty(guarding russian borders) with new warheads.
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Happy ExpatReply toGeordie Hinny
Dave, why did they then expend all that effort trying to remove all the original posts bragging about their exploits?
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Dada007
Whatever the outcome, US authorities mission accomplished, that was to sanction Russia, weaken Russia economically. But those stupid European know nothing and some of them still blame Putin.
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ManicmickReply toDada007
Stupid and extremely gullible. We're not all like that though, ahem..
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Thanks for readingReply toDada007
It's all part of the highly productive propaganda industry of Putindidit. Like the Panama scandal, like Lit.ven ko, like so many things. The truth is that the US fears B. RI.CS. That is why they are going for Brazil now too. Coincidence?
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JamesReply toDada007
"stupid European know nothing" - Do you know what happened? I wasn't there and can't see 11KM up in the air.
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Andrew2Reply toDada007
James I hope your hearing is fine? I can always hear a plane but not necessarily see it.
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owlyReply toDada007
Not just Russian economy, the sanctions hit back some European countries as well. Russia is a pretty market. Strangely, the US' own trade with Russia has grown since...
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Dada007Reply toDada007
James, you are showing your ignorant here with your stupid theory. US is the one who blamed Russia with those stupid false so called proofs. Do you know what google map is ? it is only for civilians usage but still can see car number plates without any problem BUT here the Obama administration couldn't show the so called BUK missile launching site, location and time with thier more advanced military data ? All they have is only their big mouth ?
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null
All i know is that we will never be told the truth. With that in mind it is obvious that we should doubt where the blame is being directed.
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CurlylocksReply tonull
I don't believe anything I read in the news anymore. They've all got an agenda, and they sold their integrity long ago.
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Warren McIntoshReply tonull
How do you know you haven't been told the truth? If you 'know' it, you must have credible evidence. Cough it up so we all know. Yeah, didn't think so.
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livnletlivReply tonull
Obvious to even a five year old that it was an attempted stitch up, especially when they had their staged photos out within a few hours which they claimed as 'evidence'. Evil people usually lack brain cells too it appears.
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Thanks for readingReply tonull
You can only draw your own conclusions after wide reading across the world's media. Try RT as an antidote to the constant anti-Russian propaganda. John Kerry hates it and has taken the time to criticize without any clear argument so that tells you something. Also, I believe that the Russians presented their own recorded data on the crash and it has so far been discounted - not even considered. What else can the Russians do or say? It does look like a blatant stich-up of Russia, which suited the US perfectly. Coincidence? Like Brazil's soft coup at the moment?
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Tomdotcom
The BBC is worse than a prostitue . Abolish it.
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ajmandonReply toTomdotcom
Are you talking from experience?
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MadridboyReply toTomdotcom
What is wrong with a prossie?
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livnletlivReply toTomdotcom
You are a prostist Tomdotcom.
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Tony_Reply toTomdotcom
After the article on DM yesterday about the BBC, I must agree... Abolish it. There are plenty of alternatives and I don't mind a few more adverts in lieu of a licence fee.
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Sl-lion
They lied about 9/11, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Syria, ISIS... And did you believe what they first said about MH17? Cannot hide the truth forever.
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TheGrimReaperUK
If anybody can even SEE, let alone identify, a small fighter-class aircraft flying at 37,000 ft from ground level, they have MUCH better eyesight that me - and I'm a qualified pilot!
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Rufus McDufusReply toTheGrimReaperUK
To be fair the fighter wouldn't need to be the same height as the airliner.
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Say whatReply toTheGrimReaperUK
Interesting name for a pilot...
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Andrew2Reply toTheGrimReaperUK
I hope your hearing is better than your eyes TGRUK?
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oblio
2 years later with no disclosure of the official traffic control, radar records or satellite images in what was the most monitored part of the world. No heat or radar signature, contrail or smoke in what was looking the as clear is possible weather makes it look like everybody turned their monitoring off for 10 minutes. Or lied about it for 2 years
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BURGERBOY
Russians had nothing to gain , Ukrainians did by making it look as if it was Russia to get the west involved.
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Dan78
Does anyone have the phone number for Vladimir Putin? I want to call him to thank him for bombing ISIS, humiliating the EU over Ukraine, and giving the world a masterclass on what a real leader looks like.
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farfromhomeReply toDan78
You can start by sending him a letter at en.letters.kremlin.ru (If I'm allowed to post this.)
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farfromhomeReply toDan78
You can start by sending him a letter at en letters kremlin ru (Change three spaces to dots.)
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farfromhomeReply toDan78
Search for 'president putin official website'. DM won't let me post it.
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Voice of sanity
Same as 911 really. Shoot up some civilians, point a finger of blame and let public indignation and rage allow you to curtail personal freedoms and start very profitable wars all in the name of terror prevention. How did ISIS come to power? Because the West meddled in the running of the middle east and why did the West meddle in the middle east? Because Sadam dared to sell oil in euros not dollars. Why is oil sold in dollars? Because of a deal done with Saudi Arabia, once the Worlds largest producer. In exchange for making the dollar the currency of oil the Saudis got arms and protection from our best mates the Americans. Cue the first Iraq war to protect Saudi interests.
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DMACReply toVoice of sanity
Why are you obsessed with spewing out the most ridiculous conspiracy crap stories?.....Grow up and inform yourself, instead of being locked in an 'Anti American' fantasy world.
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Fairplay3Reply toVoice of sanity
Voice of sanity.............You are correct. You could also have added, Gaddafi wanted to stop using US dollars and introduce a gold dinar for oil trading. It wasn't long after that proposal he was overthrown by the West (America) and killed.
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guy1072Reply toVoice of sanity
Many dont know that america back when they was at war with cuba the american government and military planned and gave the green light to place bombs on american passenger planes,place bombs in public american streets and get agents to pose as cuban military then kill americans it was only stopped by kennady. No government represents its people just those with money.
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farfromhomeReply toVoice of sanity
Absolutely correct, guy1072. The CIA planned "Operation Northwoods" in 1962 to falsely blame Cuba. Look it up, it will open people's eyes to the evils the US government is capable of while forever hypocritically pointing its accusatory finger at other countries.
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Mad Mike
I said it more than once, what happened to the Ukrainian air traffic controller who posted on social media minutes afterwards, "what have we done"?
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BSEaS2016
If the CIA planted bombs on the plane (highly unlikely), why did people see fighter jets or a missile?
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RegularmanReply toBSEaS2016
"people" yeah believe everything you read
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Clean up WhitehallReply toBSEaS2016
Nobody saw a missile - there was no smoke trail, but witnesses say that they saw jet fighters. The damage to the cockpit and wings looked like 30 mm cannon.
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jimlad77Reply toBSEaS2016
@Clean up Whitehall - You do realise that to hit the front of the aircraft would with numerous rounds of 30mm cannon would be practically impossible. You would have to carry out a head-on interception on an airliner travelling over 500mph, while travelling around at least 500mph yourself - a closing speed of 1000mph. That's without having enough time and speed to get off the ground in the first place to intercept a plane travelling over 30,000ft at 500mph. The Russians also claimed the fighter that shot it down was an SU-22 Frogfoot - a dedicated ground-attack aircraft which is slower than a modern airliner and cannot fly above 22,000ft, yet supposedly it managed to pepper the cockpit with 30mm cannon above 30,000ft. Lol.
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BringForthRevolutionReply toBSEaS2016
Complete hogwash jimlad. The Russians claimed it was a SU-25 Frogfoot, not a SU-22. Modern variants of SU-25 such as the M1 which Ukraine have can easily reach 35,000ft and top speed in excess of 600 mph. Also if as thought it was a premeditated act they would have already been in the air waiting to intercept it, not on the ground.
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Not a fool
The whole Ukraine thing was caused by the EU and the US to provoke Russia. I am no fan of Putin, but he is not threatening to blow up my grandchildren or decapitate anybody in the UK. II would rather have him on our side to fight ISIS.
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stun nedReply toNot a fool
you are no fan of putin, you are his slave. don't lie
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MainlineflReply toNot a fool
Your name is truly ironic
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Slickman
Just like 9/11 gave them the excuse to go back into Iraq. Even though Iraq didn't do 9/11.
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MainlineflReply toSlickman
That's not how it happened. If I recall there was a unanimous UN resolution and your country and all others voted for it. Funny how history is being rewritten by those who know the least.
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Thepieman
I always believed this was nothing more than an attempt by America to try and rattle the west and make Putin look like the bad guy. Putin stands up for his country he is not prepared to allow western forces to step on his toes, he will not sell his country on the cheap. A lot of western leaders could learn a thing or two from Putin
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Sarah Jones33Reply toThepieman
Cameron need to take notes
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RobbieDevonReply toThepieman
Putin doesn't need to look like a bad guy he's perfectly capable of doing it on his own.
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Fairplay3
You don't know who to believe these days. Governments and politicians lie to us, facts are twisted, decisions are made not for the good of the country but to benefit others. America has never released the radar data and satellite imagery it has about the downing of MH17, it makes you wonder.
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london12
Ukrainians under the CIA orders.
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someoneReply tolondon12
The CIA were on the roof sniping civilians at the start of the revolution, and they were responsible for the shooting down of MH17.
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