Did a Ukrainian fighter jet shoot down MH17? Eye witness accounts claim Boeing 777 may have been targeted by another plane
乌克兰战斗机击落马航?目击者声称看到波音777被飞机击落
Poppy Danby For Mailonline
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This was a plan between CIA and Ukraine to give a bad name to Russia. Interestingly there were no radar images on that day!!! Victims were just innocent peopleDan78
An apology is owed to Vladimir the Magnificent, and also to our dear friends the Russian people.Vivelo
Russia conducted tests and admit it was a Russian ground to air missile, but it was an old type that had been out of service in the Russian army for 5 years, but still used by the Ukraine army. The USA says they have radar evidence saying otherwise, but won't share it, not even with the Dutch authorities doing the investigation.WaycroftReply toVivelo
Simply not true; at the time the remains of MH17 showed that the damage was likely caused by fire from another aircraft. There was plenty of evidence produced on the social media but the official line was that It had been shot down by the Russians and this was swallowed by the majority 'cos the USA wanted it that way.reality_checkerReply toVivelo
How does a hodge podge of random holes of all different sizes look like air to air fire? And not shrapnel...."social media evidence"...random speculation by unknown sources you mean.Yes, the Russians spent a lot of time trying to prove it was an old model of BUK. That's excellent evidence if you believe that the Russians would only supply a rebel army with the latest equipment...or that they would send their own troops and only equip them with armaments that would instantly mark them out as being official Russian soldiers. Of course they supply them with equipment that they could get in Ukrainian stores. Of course they give them old, surplus materials that aren't going to be missed by their own troops. It's a meaningless argument...and quite revealing that they spend so long trying to prove something that changes nothing.Figaro13
That was exactly what russian said from the beginning!And I would like to remind you that the heavy restrictions upon Russia was laid soon after that damned incident.PC krap
The fact that the Americans said it was the Russians before an investigation had even started tells you everything you need to know.Tom WelshReply toPC krap
Especially since the USA has multiple military spy satellites that can resolve much finer details even than the commercial satellites whose photos are used by Google Maps. And tthose satellites will have been watching the conflict in Ukraine with eagle eyes, you can be sure. How come thye did not see exactly what happened? Of course they did see exactly what happened, but why have we not been shown the pictures?the latgallian
Now wouldn't that be embarrassing - especially after everyone immediately blamed Russia (to please the US, who need a 'national enemy and hate figure' to stop their own country falling apart.Bunkarr
BBC's change of tone implies the Ukrainian President is no longer a darling of the western allies.mitchelalexander
Ukraine flatly refused to hand over pilot to control tower transcripts and radar information. This would have helped the investigators. The US had refused to hand over satellite imagery. Russia had nothing top gain, but the US did.blake95
I am becoming very weary of the USA and its actions by the CIA, past and present. I think as a country we should keep a healthy distance, the special relationship, if it every existed, is dead.BobeeeReply toblake95
Yes, blake, I totally agree. I am fifty years old now and over those long years I watched and read many of cases all over the world were the CIA were thought to be involved and it is very frightening. The CIA seem to send out the message 'go to far... and we will put a stop to you' and that is creepy !!CD1990
Based on my own research about the CIA, I'm inclined to agree this was backed by them. The U.S is constantly attempting to find ways to create conflict with Russia. Until recently, they were even going to build a U.S/Nato base in Ukraine. Until Russia "invaded" Crimea, as they'd like you to believe. Despite the fact their that the people of Crimea voted to join Russia rather than remain in Crimea. Quite frankly, the quicker people open their eyes and actually pay attention to what America is doing to the world, the better. Iraq, Afghan, and Syria were all part of the petro-dollar wars. We're now starting to discover that the Saudis had a huge level of involvement with 9/11 for example. And now that the truth is starting to loom about the Saudis involvement, they've said that if the 28 pages on 9/11 are revealed, they'll dump $750 billion dollars of equity. I can also imagine they will no longer support the Petrodollar which was established before many of you reading this were even bornPaulm69Reply toCD1990
It's a tough illusion to break for a lot of people..That the CIA could do some of the things it has been accused of is too wild for most. However, after like you researching myself, the organization is guilty. Iran is how it is because of the CIA, Central and South America saw some deplorable actions too..But hey they're the good guys right? :/Dan78
If this whole episode is the start of hostilities between Russia and the EU, I am supporting Russia.Korky the Cat
Where's the Air Traffic Control tapes?.Where's the Air Traffic Controller?.Why has NO radar data been released?HoppSchwiiz
I guess we'll never know the truth, just like 9/11. What we do know though is that nobody gained from this politically, except the Americans, just like 9/11.Daithi63XReply toQueen of Sunshine
They thought it was a Ukrainian military plane, and that's why the Russian backed rebels shot it down. Its all recorded on video, and then their shock when they found out they had downed a civilian airliner. Their is no dispute about this, and the subsequent cover up.tropez
Wow the BBC actually going against the establishment! Russia reported this and released radar evidence that it was being followed by a military jet, but not one mainstream channel reported it! Instead everyone blamed the Russians, it's about time all you sheeple woke up to what the cia are really like.