Did a Ukrainian fighter jet shoot down MH17? Eye witness accounts claim Boeing 777 may have been targeted by another plane

to try a divert their nation away from the governments incompetencies

It does reflect badly on ordinary Russians.

The first reply seems to have missed the point, namely it was NOT Russia, and an educated trawl of the Internet and showed that a long time ago.

the only question has to be answered: Cui bono? And this are not the Russians.

Mistaken actions caused by ignorance together with a bit too much Vodka or any other drug, do not serve anyone's interests, least of all the interests of the one who does it.

This is not a "known fact" but a distortion of the truth. Money was paid to Ukraine over a 20 year period in the form of grants and loans to help them modernise and develop, and to assist in wide ranging areas like nuclear security, woman's health and legal reform. Full disclosure of US funds sent is publically available and has been for many years. As to the downing of the plane, despite Russian state media muddying the waters with numerous conspiracy theories, it has already been established (and now accepted by Russia) to have been shot down by a BUK missile. All evidence points to the Russian backed separatists as those responsible, which while not 100% certain, is almost beyond reasonable doubt.

This is not a "known fact" but a distortion of the truth. Money was paid to Ukraine over a 20 year period in form of grants and loans to help them modernise and develop, and to assist in wide ranging areas like nuclear security, woman's health and legal reform. Full disclosure of US funds sent is publically available and has been for many years. As to the downing of the plane, despite Russian state media muddying the waters with numerous conspiracy theories, it has already been established (and now accepted by Russia) to have been shot down by a BUK missile. All evidence points to the Russian backed separatists as those responsible, which while not 100% certain, is almost beyond reasonable doubt.

hmmm and the ruskis shot down an airplane over Korea or not? Still remember the image of the grinning pilot ...

hmmm and the yank$ shot down the Iranian plane in 1988

The truth does get out its just a question on who will listen...CIA experimenting on agents without them knowing with LSD people said it was a lie turned out it was true.Sadams WMD was a cover to invade iraq, people said it was a conspiracy theory.... Bush admitted it was a lie to invade.911 was helped by the saudis that was brushed as a conspiracy theory..... Now more evidence has come out to show they did have a hand in it.People had said the US government was illegally spying on its people that was deemed a conspiracy theory.... Edward snowden proved it was all true.in the 80s Bob lazar said he worked at area 51 on alien space crafts reverse engineering the propulsion engine. and that the US had machines that made unlimited free energy that could power cities but it was kept hidden as it would ruin the american oil,gas,nuclear power industry and it was all thanks to element 115, he was called a liar but in 2013 element 115 was officially announced. So is he a liar?

Two NATO AWACs & the US Navy were operating radar cover over the Ukrainian skies on that day, can't be difficult to provide something.

Is that correct? If so, it would be interesting to know exactly what they were doing there, and by whose authority. Washington has admitted that it has satellite surveillance but both it and Kiev have failed to table any evidence for any of the extraordinary catalogue of variable allegations which have been variously made.

exactly!! where is the ATC records? Ukraine- where is it??

Google "German Parliament MH17 AWACS"