Did a Ukrainian fighter jet shoot down MH17? Eye witness accounts claim Boeing 777 may have been targeted by another plane

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The BBC is a British Government T.V and news Channel Paid for by a Licence fee That every body has to pay if you want to watch TV In Britain Remember it is a government run TV so a lot of news that they do not want you to now is held back

Not a fan of good old USA then

And so have the Americans !!!

Ukraine gives all data that they have to ICAO and to international investigation group, open your eyes and read the ICAO and IIG Reports. They only not post the fake pictures of SU-24 like russian defense forces generals.

Yes the Russians will do anything and tell any lie to cover the facts, this is standard Russian practise for centuries now.

Not in million years would a 30mm cannon cause that extent of damage. Not to mention that the 30mm cannon rounds are designed to penertrate the aircraft before shredding so the fuselage would show hundreds of small exit holes with the metal bent outwards. The BuK works like a huge shotgun she'll shredding the aircraft from the out side. That's why the fuselage looks just like the russian aircraft shot down by Georgia. They used a BuK.

This is a BBC report. They are infamous for their anti-Russia reporting. Why would they say this now?

I'm with Roger. From the very first images of the cockpit area it was obvious it was not brought down by canon fire.

Actually, BBC is infamous for their anti -Ukrainian reporting. In fact several years ago they were forced to even apologize to Ukrainian government for putting up a false , anti- Ukrainian report on their website. Guess who provided them this report ? Yup, the Russians and this was even before all these fights.

Only an idiot would red arrow my comment. Find the photos of the cockpit area that were in the media within days and tell me how canon fire would account for the multiple perforations in the outer skin.

if "follow the money" then yes, you are right

Here here. Absolutely. And then came sanctions.

have you been asleep

Yeah, I was thinking actual evidence rather than the UK, US, Ukraine saying it was those pesky Russians, mate.

just sceptical: According to the yanks, Russia is ALWAYS to blame. What purgatory meant is that IF the Americans had the proof that the Russians were to blame, they would have released the data a long time back. Something about this whole affair tells me that the Yanks aren't blameless in this sad sorry affair.....

That's what I said: Cui bono? - and the mystery could be solved

There was certainly lots of cell footage of the immediate aftermath.

utter garbage. The smoke trail would disperse very quickly. There's videos on YouTube. Found one, and the trail was already very weakly defined on the camera footage after only 30 seconds. It would have taken a couple of minutes for the aircraft to hit the ground, which is when the filming starts, and it's very unlikely that a smoke trail would be visible at that point. An air attack as described in this article is utterly fanciful. An air launched missile would be small and likely a heat seeker. It would have therefore hit the engines - not the forward fuselage, and would not have been likely to bring the aircraft down as suddenly as it did. A Korean passenger aircraft was shot down in the early 80s by air to air missiles. It flew for some time before coming down. Cannon fire is just preposterous. The wreckage and everything would have been riddled with clues and since it came down in rebel/Russian territory it would be easily proven.

Guy - I disagree, a Buk ground to air missile is a weapon of war, it is not a space shuttle! The propellant is specially formulated to reduce the amount of smoke as much as possible. It is designed to be used as close as possible to the battle! Radar is not as "all encompassing" as you make it out to be. Highly professional air accident investigators have published their findings for all to see, but most people commenting here (and I suspect even the BBC journalists) have not taken the time to look at these, but are more than willing to quote Internet conspiracy theories!

Wow that's futtin stupid on a whole new scale

As usual the idiots want to believe what they want to believe

Uncle Sam is the problem of this wicked world.

are you sure you don't mean I s l/a m

30mm cannon holes did not have.But there were joyful message Girkin and Russian media about the allegedly downed Ukrainian military plane.

The cockpit fuselage was photographed with riddled holes measured to be from 30mm cannon. You must have had too much Malibu Maliboo Boo.

Go home putinbot

Yes, Putin, in our all " healthy body leads to healthy mind" idea, should sack , if sack able, this so called putinbot

It was not the US. Most likely the Ukrainians, hoping to pin the blame on Russia, backed by the US who rather conveniently had all their satellites looking the wrong way !!