The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

Wether IQ is genetic or cultural is an entirely different topic, and I have heard convincing theories for both positions (with Hart at one extreme and the late Gould at the other), but generally a heritability of about .85 seems to be consistent throughout research results. Now, I supposed the heritability actually concerns the potential IQ - deficits in nutrition or sunlight or exposure to harmful chemicals (such as the famous results of elevated blood lead levels in black children in the US, though why specifically blacks are affected I dont know) might very well explain IQ depression, as do deviations from the brain’s optimal working temperature, which happens to be found in colder climates, such as Europe. Moreover, and that is just my personal opinion, I do believe there exist culturally distinct ways of thinking which explain differences in measured IQ to some degree - if one takes for example the recently presented correlation of alphabetical script use to the gene frequency of ASPM in a population vis-a-vis the DAB1 frequency correlated to the use of tonal language, one could come to the conclusion that the export and domination of the Chinese ‘cultural model’ of tonal language and logographic writing to the western world at any date in history would have led to a serious impairment of the IQ measured in caucasian populations, as the different genetic makeup of the brain would have presented itself as an inability of the caucasian to work with this kind of language and writing equally effective as the Chinese can.

Zemzelett,

“..., which could explain why Indians score highly regarding mathematics,...” No Indians as a group DO NOT score highly in mathematics. 

Check this out: http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx

I am a Korean. I have visited India. What I saw in India convinced me that Indian’s IQ is around 82.

The so called ‘Indian Genius’ (More like Indian nutcase) is an Indian supremist imbecile. Indians are one of the most primitive idiotic people on the face of the earth. I find all Indians to be idiotic. The have the ‘Australoid’ monkey gene. Actually they are a mix of Caucasoids, Mongoloids, niggers, australoids, monkeys, apes, pigs etc… And please do not compare Chinese with Indian scum. They are totally different people. They inhabit the same continent but no way are the same.
?Chinese people are more or less a racially homogenous people belonging to the advanced space age high IQ (about 105) Mongoloid race.
Indian people are the creation of rape and mix breeding and are formed when superior Caucasoids and Mongoloid males went horny and raped ugly negroid and australoid bitches en mass. Average IQ about 85. 97% of them look like ugly misshapen mutants, creations of a genetic experiment gone wrong. They are a semi primitive bastard race.
?Chinese people are racially similar to the Japanese (the most advanced nation in Asia and one of the most advanced in the world), Koreans (South Korea is a first world nation) and Mongols (built the second largest empire after the Brits who ruled India, Even the Mongols ruled India, the Mughal Empire. Low IQ Indians bowed down to superior Mongols or Mughals hahaha).
Indians are similar to other looser shithole nations like the Pakistanis, Nepalis, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis.
?Not only do Chinese people have higher IQ than the mix breed misshapen Indians but they are better athletes as well.
In the International Mathematical Olympiad 2008, CHINA 101 GOLD, 26 SILVER, 5 BRONZE.
India 5 BRONZE only. Haha what a looser nation. LOL
Till now in all the Mathematics Olympiads, China has won 101 GOLDs out of 134 participants while stupid Indians only managed 8 GOLDs out of 120 participants. LOL
In the 2008 Summer Olympics CHINA got 51 GOLDs, 21 SILVERs and 28 BRONZEs with a TOTAL of 100. All one billion strong India could manage was 1 GOLD and 2 BRONZEs, a TOTAL of only 3! (Even tiny poor Jamaica with 2 million people got 11 and shitholes like Kenya got 18). Hahaha lol, what a nation of pusses. All those Negroid genes from your mama’s side did not help huh.
So the Chinese are mentally as well as physically superior to Indians. Haha.
Conclusion: The Chinese are a high IQ space age population with a reasonable physique. Indians are a semi primitive ugly misshapen stupid mutant race created by mass rape.

Not only is that in general Indians are bad at math, Indians are bad at programming too.

Check this out: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9134122&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top

Note that there is no finalist from India, the self proclaimed IT superpower.

Do Bradmin really have so high IQ as some bloggers here claimed? are they really so excellent at Math? Is India really an IT superpower?
  TopCoder: 705 Indians attended but no one in the 76 finalists.
      http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=development&articleId=9134122&taxonomyId=11&intsrc=kc_top
  ACM_ICPC: No IITians in the first 49.
      http://cm.baylor.edu/ICPCWiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Results World Finals 2009
  IOI:  The best rank for India is 88
    http://www.ioi2008.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=54

Chinese are low life monkeys similar to orangutans, they deserved to be desexed, in order to prevent the world from ugliness and retardation. CCP is doing a good job by restricting them to produce only 1 child in the third world China, now they are migrating to the west and breeding with dumb whites to produce retarded population. Its time west should do something about Chinese invasion.

Some Indians with pea-size brain are really entertaining.  Accept the truth that as a population, Indian is as intelligent as Mexican! Pleeeaaaase! Your bluff of brain-maniac Brahmin deceives nobody anymore.
By the way, Shakyamuni, the Buddha, was an East Asian from Nepal. If you don’t believe, google image with “shakya + Nepal” to see what the Shakya clan looked like.

Please don’t insult the Mexicans!  According to http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx the p,erformance of Mexico is about the same or slightly worst than India.  But then the population of India is ten times that of Mexico.  This means that Mexicans are much much more intelligent than Indians.

Indians are a ugly semi primitive monkey race. The west should do something about these extremely ugly mutant people. They should all be forced to wear burquas (both men and women) so that other civilised humans do not have to puke on seeing their ugliness. Bollywood should be banned as they give a very false idea about India with their European looking celebs. 99.999% of Indians look nothing like their Bollywood stars but look like pig monkey hybrids.

You idiot Anil Gupta, The Aryans invaded India from Europe. In India they mixed with the earlier White-Austroloid/ Negroid hybrid Dravidians and Mongoloid-Australoid/Negroid hybrids like the Nagas. Why it is that Europe has so less variety in phenotype while Indians have such great variety. Indians are mixed breed thats why. Aryans like the Tocharians were blue eyed blond. Check the mummies in Central Asia.
Besides why do Indians call the primitive tribals of India Adi-vasi? Which translates to Aboriginal. Those tribals are much closer to the original primitive Indians while today’s Indians have a greater amount of Northern Eurasian blood.
Micheal Hart has observed that most invasions and migrations in the past were from North to South. These migrations/ invasions took place from prehistoric times. Northern-Central Europe and North East Asia were the centres of high I.Q. in Eurasia. The males of these regions would spread to the southern parts mate with the local females and thus spread their high I.Q. genes as well as other traits, some of them physical. This is the process which led to high IQ genes spreading away from their focal points in Europe and the Far East. This explains why people in North Africa, Middle-East and South Asia have watered down Caucasian/ European facial features while South East Asians and Pacific Islanders including the Maori have watered down Mongoloid features. Since these brown races were formed by the mixing of low I.Q. primitive and high I.Q. Northern populations, their IQs are on average intermediate between the two.
Also because sub saharan Africans and Papuans/ Australians never received these genes from the North, they have remained low I.Q. primitive populations.

Circuit, Richard Lynns data are not dubious but are based on solid studies and facts.
Lynn’s new book “Racial Differences in Intelligence” lists about 600 IQ studies from around the world. From China, he found 10 studies, with an average of 106 (on a scale where the UK is 100). These studies are all from 1990 onward, and the scores appear to be somewhat higher than earlier, when China was much more poorly nourished and educated. The range of the recents studies runs from 101 to 113.

For India, Lynn found 13 studies, from 1966 through 2000. They range from 78 to 88, with an average of 83.

” Even the Mongoloid Indians in North East Indian states of AP, Mizoram, Sikkim, Meghalaya are not found to be more intelligent or successful than other indians, though they look very similar to Chinese.”

I find this funny because I do recall in visiting south-east India, how many Asiatic North East Indians populated the medical schools and were exploited by the Indian government of the south—obviously for their keener abilities.

In regards to “IQ” and the quest for the measure of superiority as defined by contemporary standards, I would posit that we’re being led down the wrong path. If the stats are right, clearly IQ is NOT the perfect and objective measure of potential for prosperity. To prove this, one only needs to call into question the high IQ scores of the East Asians and compare them with their low GDP per capita.

The whole IQ craze is a distraction and an opportunity for groups to prep and throw in their best contestants to “prove” their groups is the best; so you have all these Indians talking about their engineers but never discussing their impoverished masses.

I think honesty and the quest for truth, as one poster suggested above, are the true hallmarks of group desirability. That’s only my opinion.

People can fight over which group is better, but in the end it boils down to personal bias: if the tests don’t agree with their bias then the tests are wrong.

So, to each his own test; and personally, my simple test is skin, hair, and eye color—the lighter the better.

P.s. if any think there’s a disconnect between physical (pigmentation) and mental qualities (honesty) and thus disagreement in the statements I mentioned above, I would have you know that I hypothesize that the “it” factor gene that defines the white race lies very near to the genes for pigmentation so as to be nearly equally heritable.

East Asians are neither good looking nor intelligent, Skin colour is also not the indicator of wealth and intelligence, Indian and Asians are the richest in the US though Whites are in Majority. Millions of whites on dole and drugs and live in squalor and poverty in Europe and America, 593 million Chinese or 42% live on less than $2 a day, 37 million Chinese defecate in open, 15.5 million Chinese represents the largest prison population in the world, 300 million Chinese are too poor and starving. IQ and wealth are too different things, Whites accumulated wealth not due to intelligence but by force invasion and genocide of humanity. Wealth is good but not the ultimate truth, Human Kind need happiness and good social life. Humans are basically designed to live and procreate, just like other animals, accumulating wealth is not the goal of human life, most of the wealth is left behind after you die, learn to have enough to survive.

Whites accumulated wealth not due to intelligence but by force invasion and genocide of humanity

Fascinating. But then who are all these, that, for want of a better word I will call “people”, I see everyday? What with humanity being genocided and all.

Chingla,

China built one of the great civilisations; they’re without question a great race with a powerful future.

One of the most dangerous sentiments Europeans can suffer is arrogance.

Another facet: European pride surely comes from more than merely being “superior” in intelligence… Europeans should be proud of being European, not for being “superior” or for a vanishing power they once had.

Few things I abhor more than Americans who love their country for the power of its empire and Europeans who only love their people because of supposed “superiority”. You love your people for what they are, not for a power trip.

These same people too often have no qualms about potential genetic engineering. They don’t mind destroying the white race if they can tamper with it and make it even more “superior”. Real white nationalists love whites for what they are, not for being “superior”.

“The Indians are as talkative as the Chinese and Japanese are reserved.”

Blacks too are talkative…

Indians are very sociable, and not shy. It could be argued a white or East Asian who is shy isn’t reaching his potential in a fierce society (maybe…), but Indians have no problem there. And they talk about mundane, everyday things that others talk about - never anything interesting (and difficult). They look black and largely are black.

I met a few very intelligent Indians at my university - actually I was best friends with these - but all in all most didn’t impress me even there, and especially not the ones I’ve met outside.

I’ll say one thing though: the SATS and intelligence tests can be impacted if someone has specially prepared for them.

The Northeast often does exceptionally well on its SATs, and the Southest often does exceptionally poorly. Even when removing the black element, this remains. Mental ability isn’t enough: if you haven’t been given the material or haven’t learned as well how to take one of these tests, you won’t do as well.

I used to go around telling people I got in school for affirmative action because the SAT from my home state was so low, though my score was actually pretty good so this was only a joke. But I knew people, even relatives, whom I considered intelligent but who didn’t score well. In part I’ll add to the weaker preparation that they didn’t try. In part this was because they didn’t care, and in part this was because they didn’t believe in themselves. It takes a certain type-A personality to compete at such things, and the South’s pop culture is very athletic and party oriented - not academic.

So, those factors could be applied to other groups like Indians imo; but if Indians truly want to be seen as intelligent, they need to prove themselves. The door can be left open for them, but only they can rise up to open it.

Basing anything about ancient civilizations is dubious at best. What if the Harappan site was never found? There are lots of archaeological sites still buried around the world. There are still many human remains around the world which remain uncovered.

I’m curious whether the Harappan weren’t more closely related to Europeans than modern-day Indians. I live in America, and yet I’m not related to Amerindians. I better not give an example from Europe lest I be run out of even here for my racism, lol.