The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

@Dragon Star

I suppose you are chinese?

All I wanna say is please don’t generalize,I noticed that one or two Indians were insulting the chinese by calling them gooks and monkeys.That’s obviously a very ugly thing to do.But most Indians really don’t have any bad feelings towards China.India itself has many chinese looking people.

Infact,there are many more chinese attackers here.Some Indians did boast,but I think that’s to defend themselves from insults/inferiority remarks.

@AB

Many more Chinese attackers here? Where? Most of any attacks against Indians in any blog come from the white people and Pakis. Most Chinese don’t participate in these discussions due to either insufficient knowledge of English or lack of interest.

Yet most Indians lose no time in launching their barrage of vulgar rant against you know who.

And even if the Chinese commentors did “attack”, it wasn’t done first and in no way comparable to the vile invectives hurled by Indians. Which, as I had mentioned earlier, is a common practise by Indian commentors in any India vs China blog. Not just this one.

It’s not just some Indians boasting. A flair for empty boasting and astronomical hyperbole seems to come naturally to most Indians, if not all.

Theres a difference b/w putting up a defence by using logical arguments consistant with facts and resorting to delusional bragging and demeaning tirade.

By many Chinese looking people in India, you probably mean the people that live in the North-Eastern states of India. All of which were never originally part of India. If I’m not mistaken, these people also have some serious grievance concerning discrimination against them, including outright racial animosity directed against them by the majority population. And you try to make it sound as if these people are living in paradise in India.

Your excuses are flimsy.

Yo AB!! Nobody gives a toss about your India. It’s the incessant boasting and shameless self-promotion by you Indians that begs a response by “outsiders”.

I couldn’t help laugh my ass off at your ludicrous explanation on how you Indians have a low IQ.

Yeah rite! Blame it all on the white man. Like it was the white men who created and enforced that idiotic caste system of yours, or as if that hilarious culture of yours, where dancing and singing around the rose bush spontaneously, was forced on you by the white man. Both of which are indicative of the Indian people’s screwed up mental state.

You losers should seriously get a life.

in the past platnum was yang and gold was yin.  It is now time for things to be reversed on all fronts.

It’s impossible to guess their exact country,but there are definitely more people using vulgar language against India than those against China.

I don’t care what might have happened in any of those of India vs China blogs,but please don’t bring the hatred from there to here.And also this isn’t exactly an India vs China topic.I do not care if China becomes a super power.I do not har china in general and I plan on learning mandarin at some point in my life.All I want is for India to become a 1st world nation by 2030.

You are very misinformed about the north eastern states.They are ALL parts of India.Not only that ,even Nepal was a part of ancient India and so was the rest of Tibet .Unfortunately,we lost them.

Secondly,even outside of north-eastern states,you can find pure chinese faces(such as in Bengal and UP).And purity is not a criteria,then

When I was a school student ,my best friends were chinese looking.India’s football team captain is chinese looking.

And India cares about all of these states as much as it cares about any other state.There are some problems,but they are no more worse than in many other states.The thing is India’s economy needs to get better in order to make everyone happy.

You know very little about India as a country.

@Dragon Star
The last comment was for you.

@Slumdog
As much I hate to admit,you do have some valid points.Although you are only partially correct.

Caste system is an evil,but the situation with castes have definitely improved though.And people who hate India often magnify the evils of caste system a 100 times.In reality there is no/very-little untouchability practiced in the society(may be in the past,but not now).Moreover,some benefits are given to lower castes like reservations etc.Do the blacks get any special privellage in America or Europe?No.

The west have already done the damage they needed to do.The main culprit that exist today is definitely poverty and poor educational system and bad politics.And India’s spiritual nature of culture also takes attention a bit away from practical things.

And I do not really hate the white people in general.Only some of them who did bad things.

There is no point in fighting really.We are all related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBlZl8RON8

Indians are mainly caucasoids.Although there is also mongoloid blood (especially in the east) and negroid blood (especially in the south).

If genes really do play a role in IQ,then the negroid and mongoloid will cancel each other and our IQ should be somewhere around the caucasoid range.And that is exactly what most of the studies show outside of India (like in UK,SA,Singapore etc) where there is no selective migration.

Punji boy

I don’t know from where you Indians get the notion that your race is caucasian. As far as I can tell, most Indians are medium to dark brown and resemble the middle easterns and australian aboriginals more than the Europeans.

Apart from your darker complexion, you Indians don’t have any of the typical facial structure of Europeans. Is it your desire to be ethnically related to the white race? Does it make you feel better about your race?

I mean look, your crickter Harbajan Singh is as dark as an African himself, but he has the nerve to call Australian aboriginal crickter Andrew Symmonds a black monkey. LOL!! Look whos calling who a black monkey.

It’s pretty evident that you Indians don’t feel good about your race and want to belong to the white race’s club. Good luck, keep on trying.

“If genes really do play a role in IQ,then the negroid and mongoloid will cancel each other and our IQ should be somewhere around the caucasoid range.” I don’t know what you mean by that. To me, it’s a really dumb ass claim and highly contentious if you are trying to say that you Indians (caucasian wannabes) are smarter than the mongoloids.

Just take a look around and you’ll see for yourself that mongoloid countries like Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong are 1st world places and even China is ascending really fast with many world class cities. And Singapore with a Mongoloid majority, is also a developed state.

In comparision, all countries with brown populations like the ones in the Middle East and South Asia are underdeveloped 3rd world slums, with high levels of poverty and destitution. Which also includes India.

Besides, Mongoloids (along with the whites) have played major roles in world history. In contrast, no brown person has impacted world history in any significant way.

If you Indians are really that much smarter, then why aren’t you using all that smartness? Are you hoarding it somewhere? LOL!!

It always perplexes me why it is non-whites even bother frequenting boards such as this. Why do they bother?

As to the caste system, it might have been a creation of migrant Indo-Aryan tribes. This is a serious point of contention among Hindu nationalists who resist the idea that any aspects of their culture might be due to non-indigenous elements. However, while they resist the idea of Indo-Europeans migrants into the subcontinent, there has not been any credible argument mounted for the expansion of Indo-Europeans OUT of India and westward, at least not to my knowledge. The genetics at this stage is also confusing. At one point it was thought haplotype R1A was representative of Indo-Euros and that its provenance was Eastern Europe. Recent studies suggest there are even older sub-clades of it in India. Yet others claim that R1A probably originated in China about 21,000 years ago and showed up in Southern Siberia about 20,000 years ago. From this point, 2 branches split- one towards India, the other towards Europe. This interpretation has it that the R1A sub-clade that reached India got there a few thousand years earlier, but another one from the other branch from the Balkans made its way across the steppes and into India as the Indo-Aryans.

Here is that pdf if anyone is interested:

http://www.jogg.info/52/files/Klyosov2.pdf

Actually Slumdog,I only said that Indians are mainly caucasians(not pure caucasians) and that’s true.Genetically they tend to be much closer to Europeans ,than to Orientals or Negroids.

Here is a chart which was not created by an Indian:

Of course,it isn’t very accurate as the population is actully much more homogenous(due to interbreeding).Also,the australoid part should be placed much more southward than suggested.But you do get the idea.

Nor did I ever say that mongoloids are less IQ people.Your comprehension skill doesn’t look any better than a baby.I said that because mongoloids tend to score higher than caucasians,and negroids lower,and the fact that Indians have both mongoloid and negroid blood in them,the higher IQ genes and lower IQ genes will balance each other out ,leaving the Indian IQ at near the caucasoid range.The Singapore Indians are actually mostly the lowest caste people,yet they score near about 100.Obviously,this verifies my hypothesis.
And I am not a wanna be,I am a proud Indian.

As for mongoloids ,I am not sure if they are really any smarter than Indians.Look at Bhutan and Nepal.These 2 countries have much higher percentage of mongoloids than in India.And being surrounded by mountains,they also have a pretty cold climate compared to their latitude.But they seem to have an even lower IQ than Indians!!

And your face recognition skills seems to be even worse than your reading skills.A typical Indian face is more European looking than both Arabs and Australoids.See the video in my last post.

The reason why Australoids and Indians share similar skin colour has got a lot to with the latitude.

You can easily check that Australia and India are about the same distance away from the equator.It is now a highly accepted theory that you skin colour is determined by the latitude in which you leave.But even so,Indians are still lighter skinned than australoids.

As for Harbhajan,he said an Indian abuse,it was misinterpreted as “Big Monkey” by the australians.I doubt Harbhajan was even aware that in the west they call the black people monkeys(most Indians aren’t aware of it).In India,the term monkey is usually said to the hyperactive and mischeivous people.Mothers often call their children monkey because children tend to be hyperactive.Hell,we even have monkey gods.This only shows that australians think along racist lines.It may be a genetic defect.

@AB,
“You are very misinformed about the north eastern states.They are ALL parts of India.Not only that ,even Nepal was a part of ancient India and so was the rest of Tibet .Unfortunately,we lost them. ...”

I think you have some misunderstandings about India and I would like to point them out here.  India, as an independent unified political entity does not exist historically.  It takes a British empire to create what we today referred to as India.  Winston Churchill summed it up when he said India is as much a country as the equator is a country.  Even Gandhi himself did not know he was an Indian until he was classified as one when he board a train in South Africa.  Gandhi viewed himself as a Gujarati.  But even at the time of India independence, there are still a lot of territories and princely states that were not part of British India.  Goa, Hyderabad, Sikkim..etc being some of the examples. Immediately after independence, Nehru methodically consolidated all the territories that were not part of the British empire into a contiguous area, often by heavy hand tactics or outright invasion.  The present day North East India, the so-called seven sisters, never want to be part of India but was forcibly incorporated into India.  Even today, the Assamese ...etc. are still fighting for their independence.

In other words India is a country created instantly in 1947 as a result of colonial legacy.  Much like a lot of other countries created as a result of colonialism, it holds together people that has no affinities to each other beyond some vague commonalities like Hinduism.  These peoples have no common language, no common history.  It is because of this realization that Nehru has to set up a department to instill a sense of Indian-ness among its people when the country was first created some 60 years ago.

You said this and that are all part of ancient India reflects a misconception called Arkand Bharat.  It is this mentality that makes India hated by ALL its neighbors.

Listen Punji

The average Indian’s facial structure doesn’t look anything like a European.

Europeans have long and narrow faces, deep set eye sockets, slim noses, high cheek bones, angular jaw line. Indians have shorter and broader faces, bulbous noses and dispropotionately bigger eyes.

Those few Indians who do resemble Southern Europeans like Greeks and Italians are probably the result of interbreeding. It may be recalled that many Greek soldiers from Alexander’s army had settled in India.

The only people in Europe who you Indians can claim as your ethnic kindred are the Roma gypsies. They are originally from India and many of them do look like Indians and Pakis.

The question of wether the average mongoloid is smarter than the average Indian or not is best left to the experts to answer. All I can add is that the mongoloid race has achieved much more in history, than brown skin people.

Do the blacks get any special privellage in America or Europe?No.

Is this a deliberate lie or are you ignorant of the racial situation in Europe and America?

@Quick Silver

I am not going to wait for AB,I will reply to your post myself.

I am an Indian and as a result I had to study Indian History.So I am pretty aware of exactly what AB meant.India did exist historically as a common empire at a lot of different times,even before the british empire.Perhaps the most the most prominent one was the maurya dynasty.

The wheel in the Indian flag represents the Ashoka Chakra(a ruler from that time) and it symbolises how India is a unit even in all its diversity.

The concept of “Nation” itself is quite new and only applies to the modern world.
None of the countries that exists now existed as a political entity just a few centuries ago and Gandhi identifying himself as gujrati is no more different than ancient greeks identifying themselves as from a particular city.Does that mean they were not Greeks?It’s because people are not always aware of the ruler’s identity,especially if the empire is big.

And does it even matter what India was in the distant past?India is what it is now.And everyone has accepted it.Even the north-eastern states have accepted that.The few noises that come now and then are caused by the minority of these people,not the majority.

I think the original the original point of the debate was whether these far-east states have Indian or Chinese influence?Obviously the answer is India.The thing is these states have much more in common than just religion.Nepali uses devnagri as a script,same as hindi and Assam uses swaralipi as their script,same as bengali.In tibet ,the two most famous tourist spots Kailash(HIndu god’s name)-Parvat and Manas-Sarovar are completely hindu names.The tibetian language has nothing to with mandarin and has much more in common with Indian languages.And I can bet you that Dalai Lama would much rather prefer to be called an Indian than a Chinese.

The bristish claim that they “created ” India is laughable,because they obviously did nothing but divide it.The “divide and conquer” principle was used to make ruling India easier,it has nothing to do with do with non-existance of india.The word “Bharat” can be found in MANY MANY old literature.India always existed.

@Slumdog

Slumdog,man,it’s pointless to argue with a baby.But still, I will reply to you one more time.You have probably seen some picturtes of hungry dying Indians over the internet to come to draw conclusions.Unfortunately,most of India is rather poor.
But any Indian whose standard of living from childhood matches that of a middle class European(even lower-middle class European),usually look comparable in terms of facial features(I have never said they are identical,but there are strong similarities).In fact,the Indian faces are often more symmetric and proportionate compared to the west and that’s because of the greater genetic diversity found in India.

As for roma gypsies ,they have very caucasian features as well.Give them proper food and proper clothes and many of them will look european.In fact,many gypsies ARE indistuinshable from europeans.

Slumdog,man,it’s pointless to argue with a baby.But still, I will reply to you one more time.You have probably seen some picturtes of hungry dying Indians over the internet to come to draw conclusions.Unfortunately,most of India is rather poor.
But any Indian whose standard of living from childhood matches that of a middle class European(even lower-middle class European),usually look comparable in terms of facial features(I have never said they are identical,but there are strong similarities).In fact,the Indian faces are often more symmetric and proportionate compared to the west and that’s because of the greater genetic diversity found in India.

I’ve been to India, and what you’ve written above is nonsense. Even well to do Indians look nothing like Euros, and neither do gypsies. There are politicians in southeast Europe who dress like the local Balkan Euros, and yet they are clearly distinguishable from the indigenes. I’m curious, what exactly is the agenda of someone like yourself that you would take time to seek out a white racialist board and post on it?

In the above post, I was referring to gypsy politicians.

Punji, stop bullshitting!!

Biharis, Gujratis, Tamils, Goans, Bungalees look nothing like European and neither do Poonjabis. The Roma people are easily told apart from the European.

Even Ghandi looked nothing like a European.

Sorry,I wasn’t really aware that this is supposed to be a racist blog for white people.The thing is that it is very easy to stumble across this kind of blog while searching for something else.

I saw lots of Indians,Chinese and other people posting here and a topic that does not have anything to do with whites.So it never even occured to me that this was supposed to be a blog exclusively for white people.Since that’s the case,this is will be my last comment then.I have no interest in fuelling your racism any more.

Indians are considered caucasian by even many western people.Does that mean they are the same as white?No.But there are definitely similarities in the skull structure.I never said Indians are indistuishable from westerners(the word you used).

I don’t know which well off families you saw in India(and which part of India).OK,may be not all of them.But many well off families,especially those that are highly educated, do indeed look a lot more western than others-if you can get over the skin colour and dress code,that is.(If possible,watch some Indian TV commercials.)

Gypsies often get away by saying that they are spanish,italian etc.It’s a fact.Some of them are indeed very distuingishable,but definitely not all of them.

Among western people,I would say Indians look more like the jews than most of the other groups.Gypsies too.Infact Hitler actually put the jews and gypsies into the same category and discriminated against them.It is indeed true that jews have south asians genes that are not found in the remaining Europeans.

P.S:Again,I don’t mean identical features,just similar features.Indians obviously have some differences.

Posted by Punj on February 23, 2010, 11:15 PM | #

In tibet ,the two most famous tourist spots Kailash(HIndu god’s name)-Parvat and Manas-Sarovar are completely hindu names.The tibetian language has nothing to with mandarin and has much more in common with Indian languages.And I can bet you that Dalai Lama would much rather prefer to be called an Indian than a Chinese.

Have you ever heard of Sino-Tibetan language family? Tibetan and Chinese are of the same origin. And Tibetans and Han-Chinese just look the same. Tibet was never under India’s rule but was a part of China back to 800 years ago. Moreover, India itself was united/created by British for the first time in the past 1000 years.

Buddhism was originated from Nepal and Sakyamuni is a Chinese-looking guy. This explains why Buddhism religion is popular only in East-Asian countries.