The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

“The prices of the same goods and services in the different countries are adjusted as much as possible.” yeah, that is why I said it is not perfect.

@Great

        I thought since we did not converse directly,so it was better not to discuss your previous post in detail.But since you have kept replying to me,I think I have to finish the unfinished business with you and why I said you have done a total mess on that particular post.

I was not offended because you did not agree with me but you certainly made some incorrect statements regarding Tesla at that time.I don’t know whether you know it or not but even the first Nobel for invention of x-ray which went to Rontgen was actually invented by Tesla but he lost the patent right at a New York office in 1889.In fact he had the opportunity to become the first billionaire of the world but he rejected it when he heard that his AC will never see the the day light-If you call such a person a braggert then it speaks volume about your idiocity,not Tesla.

Brahmo Samaj:Well,earlier founders of it were all brahmin and it was a society which did not follow orthodox Hindu customs.Just like Protestant and Catholic in Christianity or Shia and Sunni in Islam Brahmo samaj is just a part of Hinduism-it was not a different religion.

Bengali people are one of the smartest_this is probably one of the dumbest comment I have ever heard in my life.In Bengal Brahmin with 2 million population have already produced 3 persons whose work have won Nobel,but unfortunately the most genius one Subhas Mukhopadhya’s tragic death cost him the Nobel prize.

Kayastha and Vaidya community have also done pretty well since all Jc Bose,Satyendra Bose,Ashok Sen belongs to this category.

Now it’s not Mani Bhowmick but Meghnad Saha,one of top 10 Astrophysicist of all time was also not born in so called upper caste.Yunus,Fazlur Khan are Muslim but considering their huge population how can you call themselves smart.You can only boast yourself as smart if you are producing proportionate number of intellectuals related to your population,isn’t it true?Bangladesh will have to produce many genius,otherwise how can I say that Bengali Muslims are smart-same goes for Hindus outside so called upper caste.I am not caste minded but due to your fallacy I had make that statement.

And listen I did not go through any previous comments initially except those few mentioned by indian strategy but suddenly that Astro-nerd jumped on me making a statement"you don’t even know the name of science Nobel Price winners” and that’s why I had to deliver that resist crap.

And then the same bigot came to this blog with the handle indian arts and started lying about Bengal/Bengali people and that’s why I had to bring the real picture of rest of India.And even now that jackass is lying about Bengal in every single aspect but you could not reply anything due to your lack of knowledge.

Grammy:I forgot A.R Rahman but at the same time I also forgot another Bengali Grammy winner Dhruva Ghosh.Ravishankar started his career Kolkata and then he got fame in Europe and America-and he currently lives in California.Even if i Exclude Nora,still Bengali’s have more Grammy than rest of India.

Nobel prize:you brought the name of D.M Bose and the 1954 Nobel prize in Particle physics was awarded which was just an extension of D.M Bose’s work but he was never nominated for Nobel prize just like Satyendra Bose.Even if I exclude JC Bose who did not want to win any award or money still at lest 3 Bengali have missed out Nobel due to lack of Professionalism and ill fate and two of their work has already brought Nobel prize directly after their death.But within next 20 years one Bangladeshi is certain to win in medicine if everything goes properly.

Are you from Bangladesh-No,I am from KOLKATA,THE CITY WHICH HAS PRODUCED MORE LUMINARIES THAN MANY OF FIRST WORLD"S CITY.I don’t know at which corner of Bengal you live but you can rest assure that if there is an intellectual competition between Kolkata and other first world’s city,then the Brahmins and other upper caste Bengali of Kolkata alone will beat most of the first world’s city.

Even one Anglo Indian in this blog commented that “apart from kolkata rest of india is just shit hole.”

That bigot Astro was talking that Bengali’s are mouse-Really?

At LONDON OLYMPIC OPENING CEREMONY 8 DISTINGUISHED PERSON CARRIED THE OLYMPIC FLAG AND ONE OF THEM WAS PURE BENGALI-SHAMI CHAKRABORTI.

AT OPENING CEREMONY A BANGLADESHI DANCE WAS PERFORMED BY AKRAM KHAN.

AND AT CLOSING CEREMONY WHILE ERIC IDLE WAS SINGING THE GODDESS DURGA CAME INTO SCENARIO WHICH IS AN EXCLUSIVE BENGALI HINDU CUSTOM.

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LITERACY OF WEST BENGAL:I have already addressed it but still I will post it again.

                           
                            GROUP A:BENGALI HINDU,CHRISTIAN,ANGLO INDIAN,CHINESE-literacy about 90% and iq will be in range of 90-95,highest in India.

                            GROUP B:BENGALI MUSLIM-literacy 60-65 ,very primitive and backward.
                               
                            GROUP C:NON BENGALI HINDU-literacy about 70-75%.

                            GROUP D:NON BENGALI MUSLIM-literacy <50%,extremely backward,filthy and making Kolkata nothing better than dustbin.

THIS IS THE REASON WHY LITERACY OF WEST BENGAL IS ONLY 78% but STILL IT’S 5% HIGHER THAN
AVERAGE OF INDIA.

BRITISH RULE IN INDIA AND EDUCATION:IN THE YEAR 1857, THREE UNIVERSITIES WAS ESTABLISHED IN BOMBAY,MADRAS AND CALCUTTA AND LATER IN PUNJAB.SINCE 1911 DELHI IS OUR CAPITAL AND MUMBAI IS OUR ECONOMIC CAPITAL-THEN WHY KOLKATA/BENGAL PRODUCE ALL THOSE LUMINARIES?

THE ANSWER IS BENGAL HAD MANY VISIONARIES LIKE RAMMOHAN ROY,SIR ASUTOSH MUKHERJEE ETC WHICH I CAN NOT SAY ABOUT REST OF INDIA.

BENGAL DOES NOT NEED ANY OUTSIDER LIKE RAMAN TO BOAST BECAUSE IT HAS PRODUCED !) TIMES BIGGER PERSONALITIES LIKE TAGORE,JC BOSE,MOTHER TERESA,SATYAJIT RAY,SWAMI VIVEKANANDA AND MANY MORE…

  NOW THESE DAY’S INDIANS ARE MIGRATING IN SO MANY NUMBERS TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES WHERE BENGALIS ARE ONLY 2%,BUT THEN WHY BENGALIS ARE WINNING MOST OF THE AWARDS?

THE REASON I USED THE TERM “YOUR INDIA” IS BECAUSE WHAT KOLKATA ALONE HAD DONE REST OF THE COUNTRY WILL TAKE FEW MORE HUNDRED YEARS TO ACHIEVE THAT.

AND SINCE THIS BLOG IS ABOUT INDIA VS CHINA THEN I MUST SAY THAT IF I EXCLUDE BENGAL OUT OF INDIA THEN CHINA IS BETTER THAN INDIA IN MOST OF THE ASPECTS EXCEPT IT,MATHEMATICS AND ENGLISH.

Somebody has taken my name again and again, what is this time ” resist crap ” what kind of crap is this ? Does anyone know ? Anyway dogg’s tail cant be straightened, no matter how much you try, so better to leave it as it is, it may stink the whole mother India for the time being. Anyway I have no time to waste on such nuts. Even Khalistan was gone, let alone this little worm dreaming for his own c lumsy Bengalistan, pathetic to the core. Now Chinese missiles are out of sight, so let us cool down. The common enemy is out, retreated with his limping chop sticks.

@Indian Arts, I liked the way you brushed but your comments as Chinese monkeys was inappropriate, See 2012 Miss World was a Chinese chick, let us take her into Bollywood, oh no, that asshole Salman Khan is still single.

@Great do not worry about this little Bengladeshi worm, how much he can crawl ? He can’t trespass our land for sure.

Resist crap-so finally you have pointed out one mistake

But lol,just try to read your post,I don’t know in which language it has been written?

But the only big mistake I did is that D.M Bose’s related work brought Nobel in 1950<not in 1954.

Bangladeshi worm-Previously I said"we have not produced any Nobel worthy work in Kolkata in field of Chemistry but I know someone…”

But still that great delusion and you are asking that same stupid question-speaks volume about your retarded mind!!

But I am sure the person who is claiming himself Bengali,is certainly not from Kolkata and probably not even from Bengal-That probably explains all his nonsense crap as it’s bound to happen if you mix with bunch of idiots with vice like grip of failed ideology.Wonder why Bengalis who are living outside Bengal can not achieve anything?

@ Indian Arts, in the 794th post you prove that you know nothing about Purchasing Power Parity. It is so clear in that message. Then I warned you that it was different from nominal GDP per capita and you searched it and learned recently. So don’t try to make any role as if you already knew about it.

Boy,  this forum is for India vs China with respect to IQ, why cant you get that ?. Keep aside your internal differences, you are not going to win here not that others are great but you are simply wrong. All 3 of us has responded to you earlier so it is a wastage of time for everybody.

Even the debate on IQ disparity is useless as IQ tests are not an Indication of Intelligence because IQ testing measures only convergent thinking involving in one idea as there is only one correct answer unlike creativity which is divergent thinking. In addition the The tests either explicitly or implicitly depends on a degree of GK and practise. IQ tests were created to demonstrate the Indo-European Superiority over the others, which was nullified by Jews first and lately by East Asians. There are arguments as the quickness of the mind caters to Intelligence but then it solely depends on the retrieval pattern of the content in memory where a huge repository of information is a must which points to the efforts in knowledge accumulation. That is why I said efforts and practices are the criteria, obviously it can help in eugenics for sure. High average IQ does not determine Intelligence and there by Genius, Genius are not born of Genius, take the examples even greatest scientists , mathematicians and musicians were not inherited ex:- Einstein to Shakespeare, Beethoven to Picasso. Creativity is Intelligence as it is multifaceted. There are many thousands of people with an IQ of 150 plus but shows no sign of creative thought. Creativity is unconventional thinking, they do not fall for conventional norms as average IQ, average per capita, average literacy etc. What is an average ? average is a fictitious approximation of a sample which is a convergent thinking. A simple example- let us take an average of 2 numbers from a sample (1,2) what is the average obviously 1.5, does this 1.5 exists in the sample ?  no it is fictitious non existent and it is not a true representation, the same with average IQ too, how many agree with this ? only a few. This is divergent thinking or fluency, that is why they are often called as lunatics as others cant accept it. That is why India was blessed with many divergent thinking people or simply genius and hence a massive repository of Innovations, arts, philosophy and literature. I didn’t mean by this China lacks fluency, every race and society has this. Science too getting out of convergent thinking from the classical to the quantum world, that is why you hear, now lot of bizarre theories like Copenhagen Interpretation, many world theories which are obviously unconventional.

china just won miss world 2012? lol. most chinese don’t even care about these no-brain type competition, the feeling of indifference in china vs. hysterical reactions at other countries that have won in the past is simply striking. 

@brain, you mention east asian are “insecure” about height… well whatever, i just find it funny south asian who are even shorter in height calling the east asian “short” people, ironic isn’t it? I equally find it funny that south asian who are even less creative calling east asian “non-creative” when the fact is that south asians can’t create, can’t copy, or do anything intelligent, again comically ironic. of course nothing is complete without indian disdaining chinese as “low cost labor”, when the indian labor cost is a mere fraction of that of the chinese, yet, no one in the world seems want to take advantage of that fact, leaving most indians without a job and starving, lol.

for things that matter the most, east asian including the chinese still trump the south asian including the indian, whether it’s the economy, math, science, algorithmic ability, sports, anything that require brain and physical prowess, east asian trumps south asian by far.

indian can only win nobel in british/american environment, it’s a fact. After british left india, india on its own hasn’t produced any nobel winner without either doing work in US or UK, again, that’s a fact. The number of indian-origin nobel prize winner is significantly less than the chinese, that’s another fact. The number of south asian nobel prize winner is astronomically less than the east asian, again, fact. I know it’s hard for you south asian to swallow all these painful facts, i’d hate to be a south asian too if I were one, lol.

india has more richest than china? wow, i mean you really want bring that up? really?? it only shows how screwed up your country is, when majority of you south asian is living in a sub-saharan type condition. If china has the same system as the one in india, where all resources and money were channeled to the few riches, china would have the richest person in the world!! much richer than you indian, since china has much bigger economy and more wealth. Luckily china doesn’t rob rest of the population to enrich a few. Showing a few riches from a dirt poor, sub-Saharan african type country is not something to brag about, it shows low-iq nation can’t build a system that can pull the entire society forward, but only enrich the few privileged, a phenomenon prevalent across almost all sub-Saharan african countries. Again, you failed miserably here. In developed societies such as US, where most of world’s richest live, the rest of the population are very well off. Heck, the richest man in the world is a Mexican, lol, does that prove anything?

About china behind japan even though people are of the same race, ok, it’s even possible for inland chinese economically behind coastal chinese, and your point is? for whatever reason china is behind japan now, but being in the same race, china has all the potential to be the next japan/taiwan/korea/hong kong/singapore, of course times 1,000,000,000 factoring the population. No such thing can be said about india, there’s simply no precedence of any developed south asian country, every single one is comparable to sub-saharah african country, yes, that’s every single one. Again, the potential of a 81 iq country to match any 100+ iq east asian country is close to nil. japanese is close to tibetan? is that a joke? or you just pull that out of some no-name article? the genetics among east asians have been studied extensively by chinese, korean and japanese scientists, almost all studies point to close genetic relationship among chinese, japanese, taiwanese, korean and hong konger, more so than with any other ethnicity and races. another one of your south asian lies debunked.

Again, east asian trumps south asian in everything that matters, intelligence and sports, economy and science, in quality and quantity, south asian doesn’t stand a chance against the east asian. too much for you to swallow? well, don’t get jealous, better get use to it, that’s just how the world works. like your caste system, you just have to accept your status as being lower. East asian don’t need to be good in english, unlike the south asian who take pride in speaking white master’s language, east asian take pride in speaking their own languages, just like most other high iq nations.

I posted in this blog once before and I have come through some interesting comments.

1.Someone mentioned about chess-I personally believe that playing chess at earlier age(specially against computer) can improve someone’s IQ rather than solving quiet difficult Mathematical problems.Bobby Fischer’s coach was a 200 IQ scientist.

2.East Asian may have high IQ but I think it will vary from region to region.For example South Korea and Japan both have high per capital income-But it’s Japan who has produced all the laurels while South Korea’s contribution is almost nil in field of Art,literature,Science except technology.

3.I think Huns will have IQ slightly lesser than whites but it’s my approximation.

4.China has achieved lot in field of inventions but they lack in basic Science.It’s technology or manufacturing works where China is probably the best in the world along with Japanese.

5.But the most important point here is I am also a Bengali from kolkata and what SAMBIT and Gret have stated here was posted long ago by me but I discussed achievements of Sudarshan,Kapany who were not from Bengal.

6.I will take another name here from kolkata who has won Nobel laureate signature award as a first person from India.Almost 50% the then research work at Harvard university was based on his paper and he might well be a future laureate.

7.High IQ Chinese certainly disappointed me with his comments.In last 14 years 3 Bengali working in Bengal has produced Nobel prize-A.Sen in Economics,Yunus in Micro credit and Physician Subhas Mukhopadhya who has created the most sophisticated technique of test tube baby in kolkata-But his death certainly cost him the Nobel which Edwards of Cambridge won.

And these 3 persons have done their work in Bengal,not in colonial or American environment.

@high IQ Ea

        Seems like you are very ignorant and knowledge deluded.Don’t dare to compare Bengal with rest of South Asia.I had many Chinese friends back in Kolkata but none of them made such nebulous comments like you.Ever heard of Rabindranath Tagore-Your Chinese govt. declared him the second most influential person from India ever to visit in china after Buddha.

Really you are good thinking for me.Humane Collar

@strategy

My 794th post never emphasize on per capital income as such, it emphasizes on relation to the “cost of living"read my post first, you need some basic english classes for sure. read on

“Any way but your ideas on the per capital income seems to be wrong as you are going purely on academic. You cannot compare the cost of living of every country in equal norms. for example in India a person can live a comfortable life with $6000/- a year, may be true for china too,  where some one from US need at least $40000/- a year to have the same standard of living.

I am mentioning about the cost of living and its correlation here, not about the per capital income as such, any one with a common sense can presume that the figures $6000/- and $40000/- are not the per capital income’s of India and US either way in nominal per capital income or per capital income (PPP)

My 800th post shows the short falls of PPP due the difficulties of finding comparable baskets of goods to compare purchasing power across countries.

In my 802th post you thought I agreed with you?  never, read on

“The prices of the same goods and services in the different countries are adjusted as much as possible.” yeah, that is why I said it is not perfect.

as much as possible means what ?  it is imperfect - need more explanation ?

A simple example for a comparable decent housing rental monthly expense in India is max $100 per month vs $1400 in US, other expenses translate to more or less same except in imported goods. Even though economist follow PPP it is imperfect, that is my point, read again and again my 800th post to see why PPP is not perfect. So my point is an average Indian citizen do not need the kind of income as some one from the developed country. so don’t bark much on per capital income comparison. brother, I cant make it more clear than this.

“If economists were smart then we will not have recessions after recessions .......

So either read carefully again and again or learn English.

Saying Muslims have low IQ is just a discriminatory assumption on the part of Hindu posters here. Pakistan, Bangladesh, India have about the same IQ for the general populations. Also, North Africa, the Middle East have around the same IQ as well.

However, attitude towards education I’ve noticed among various South Asians in the UK is very different. Indian parents strongly encourage their children to do well at school, but the same attitude isn’t there among Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, though gradually changing for the better. Quite a lot of young Pakistanis in the North of England are usually up to no good i.e. hanging around in gangs and what have you rather than focusing on their schooling and college.

Also, IQ in itself is not the be all and end all. Jews may have high IQ, but they are not renowned for producing brilliant mathematical or engineering minds (with few exceptions). They tend to be heavily concentrated in the areas of social sciences. As I pointed out earlier, Jews also tend to have a habit of promoting each other (sort of a brotherhood) which results in domination of certain industries despite the relatively low population.

@Indian Arts

You are either uneducated or idiot, or both of them (most possible). The cost of living already depends on how many and how much goods and services you can purchase in any country. In a very wealthy country with a very high income per capita (nominal, not PPP) you can’t purchase a lot of services because the labor is very expensive. So are the services. Your expenditure on any kind of service is already the INCOME of another person. So it is a RECYCLE. This is the secret why poor countries have higher PPP than nominal income per capita and why the wealthy countries have higher nominal income per capita because the PPP closes the artificial gap due to the price differences (resulting from especially the services, not goods) to a great extent. There is a limit with what you can do with the services (only with better know-how) but it is much easier to do with the goods. You can produce 5 times more from the same quality of watches with a better automation and technology but you can’t create 5 times more from taxi drivers. Theoretically if there were only services but no goods in every basket of each country the average incomes would be even closer to each other. But after using the PPP you can’t still say India’s 3700 $ is equivalent to 10000 $ of France. India’s 3700 $ in PPP terms need not be the equivalent of France’s 3700 $ because of the different weights of the goods and services in 2 countries but may also be lower. The target of PPP is to minimize the price differences in different countries. Your stupid explanation proves that you have never understood the underlying mechanism. You are not even close to it! The PPP already reflects the cost of living in different countries. Need more explanation???

@ strategy
I do not know what is your issue in understanding, You are repeating the same lecture on PPP over and over, I dont need that. My only argument is that PPP has limitations. 1)consumer preferences (very different sets of goods and services) 2)PPP can’t determine exchange rates in the short term 3)Import and Export Restrictions 4)transportation cost 5) Perishable goods 6) Immovable properties the list goes. why cant you accept that?, Are you acting like an idot or are you an idiot ? either way I dont bother, some people are born like that. Anyway I am ending my discussion on PPP here, no more lectures please.

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@ Indian Arts

You are an idiot or a liar or both.)) I mean you are an idiot liar. I never repeated anything. I realized that you just memorized and copied what you searched for PPP. I advise you not to make any interpretations on what you look for because you give clues that you don’t understand what you read. The weight of the goods and services in every basket of different countries is another subject. In a wealthy country a special good may be twice expensive than it is in a poor country but a special service may be 10 times more expensive.  If a person in France has a wage of 30.000 $ and pays 100 $ for the taxi service it means he can purchase 300 taxi services with his wage. If a person in India has a wage of 1.000 $ and pays 10 $ for the taxi service it means he can purchase 100 taxi services with his wage. Then the GDP per capita of France should be 3 times the GDP per capita of India (theoretically if only taxi service was counted) as you can purchase the taxi service 3 times in France than you can purchase in India. If India’s per capita is 4000 $ France’s must be 12000 $ and if it is 6000 $ France’s capita should be 18000 $. In nominal terms the income per capita of France is 30 times of India but it is just 3 times in PPP terms (only if taxi service is counted). Due to the different amount of goods and services in different countries X dollars of any country, say India can be less or more than France but there is no NECESSITY that it should purchase more amount of goods and services as India is poorer than France. PPP is calculated according to how many goods and how much services one can purchase. It means the cost of living (that you pay more for the taxi service in a rich country) is already calculated. In PPP terms that you talk about the cost of living means absolutely nonsense. The prices are already equated all around the world. How many times will you equate???

@ STRATEGY
Oh god same shit again and again, you guys do not stick into context don’t you ?, shear idiocity, I am talking about the PPP limitations, you are again and again explaining what is PPP, If you have any counter attacking points on those limitations which I mentioned in post 815, your are most welcome, otherwise get lost man. I repeat respond to if you can on 1) ” LIMITATIONS OF PPP” 2) ANY COUNTER ARGUMENTS FOR (1) Please!

@ Idiot liar Indian arts don’t play any role as if you have understood PPP. Limitations and errors due to equating the prices of PPP don’t necessarily mean that the citizens of poor countries still have any chance to purchase more goods and services. It may easily be the opposite. The errors can easily work in favour of the rich countries. If you understood you would never talk about the cost of living. You try to focus on another subject as is if you understood the mechanism. It would be much better to be only an idiot instead of being both an idiot and a liar. Why don’t you honestly accept that you are both idiot and a liar like a typical Indian?

@Strategy, Get lost you idiot, You are not worth it for this forum, You couldn’t answer to me on my 815, 818 post and you totally lost and got trapped. When you loose to some one you should accept it. Now I know why you took 3 days to come back. I thought you were acting as an idiot , now I know you are an idiot even way below an average Chinese guy. Other Chinese guys retreated when they knew they were wrong , but you do not even have that sensitivity in you. Good Bye!!!

@ Idiot liar Indian arts I can reply to you any time I want. I reply for others, not for you as if you are worth anything. There is absolutely nothing in your stupid post 815 as you just copied it though you couldn’t understand what it is. Find idiots like yourself and try to play a role as if you know anything. I am not Chinese or East Asian but you are a perfect typical Indian, just an idiot and not just a liar but both of them.